TGB: The only place genuinely welcoming a single/non-accompanied male.

[Peter Riden]

I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.
At THE GRAND BARN, I/we prefer to give the preferential treatment
equally to both genders. What prompts me to come up with this is an
inquiry that a single female made to a certain resort. Regrettably,
their group will not dare posting my answer as was the case a while
back when I stood up for such situation. The current post and the
answer goes like this

*****************************
Re: Are singles allowed?

Hi everyone. I am 27, single, and would love to visit XXX this
spring, however it appears that most members are couples.
Also are there others around my age? Thanks for any
response, xo
Cindylou.

The answer from Dean & Elaine, on Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:09 pm (PST) was:
Hey Cindy,
Since you're a single "femaile", all is good. Most resorts and clubs
like XXX more than welcome single females. Single males, on the other
hand, are not allowed. When we've been there, we have seen some lone
females.
It is pretty much what you want to make of it.
Dean & Elaine
**************************

I find that answer nearly nauseating when it comes to how the single/
non-accompanied male is being treated at most resorts. I love women,
that is very well known. But not at the expenses of the male gender.
So, it might be time that any male with a semblance of dignity do
stand up and show support to a destination that doesn't require he be
accompanied by a woman, as some sort of passport to gain access to our
resort. More so, once such male does find a female partner that he not
negate TGB was the sole place where he was given access prior to be
with a companion and not suddenly suck up to the very places that turn
him down when he was on a solo venture and stop coming at TGB. Sadly
enough it did happen in the past and that is also very disgraceful.
I want to hear what you all think of this and with the fact we are
also celebrating our 20th year of operation at THE GRAND BARN... do
you welcome that we are that single equal gender friendly.
Time for you all to speak up
Don't forget the next generation, (as in my son Thaila and his team)
is slowly taking over TGB so that what you've enjoyed all along be
kept as you've known it. I'm sure Thaila will take it from the
feedback we'll be getting here.

You can also make your presence felt on our T.W.A.N. message board/
forum at
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/

In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own newsgroup:
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-Online
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Zee]

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.
At THE GRAND BARN, I/we prefer to give the preferential treatment
equally to both genders. What prompts me to come up with this is an
inquiry that a single female made to a certain resort. Regrettably,
their group will not dare posting my answer as was the case a while
back when I stood up for such situation. The current post and the
answer goes like this
*****************************
Re: Are singles allowed?

Hi everyone. I am 27, single, and would love to visit XXX this
spring, however it appears that most members are couples.
Also are  there others around my age? Thanks for any
response, xo
Cindylou.

Hey Cindy,
Since you're a single "femaile", all is good. Most resorts and clubs
like XXX more than welcome single females. Single males, on the other
hand, are not allowed. When we've been there, we have seen some lone
females.
It is pretty much what you want to make of it.
Dean & Elaine
**************************
I find that answer nearly nauseating when it comes to how the single/
non-accompanied male is being treated at most resorts. I love women,
that is very well known. But not at the expenses of the male gender.
So, it might be time that any male with a semblance of dignity do
stand up and show support to a destination that doesn't require he be
accompanied by a woman, as some sort of passport to gain access to our
resort. More so, once such male does find a female partner that he not
negate TGB was the sole place where he was given access prior to be
with a companion and not suddenly suck up to the very places that turn
him down when he was on a solo venture and stop coming at TGB. Sadly
enough it did happen in the past and that is also very disgraceful.
I want to hear what you all think of this and with the fact we are
also celebrating our 20th year of operation at THE GRAND BARN... do
you welcome that we are that single equal gender friendly.
Time for you all to speak up
Don't forget the next generation, (as in my son Thaila and his team)
is slowly taking over TGB so that what you've enjoyed all along be
kept as you've known it. I'm sure Thaila will take it from the
feedback we'll be getting here.
You can also make your presence felt on our T.W.A.N. message board/
forum athttp://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-Online
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

yeah Peter...i have a soft spot for the wimmen too...and there are
clubs that give the single wimmen a hard time also as those couples
have a hard time agreeing on who they want to play with the male or
female....it all equals out in the end....regards..john

[Peter Riden]

Post by Zee

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.
At THE GRAND BARN, I/we prefer to give the preferential treatment
equally to both genders. What prompts me to come up with this is an
inquiry that a single female made to a certain resort. Regrettably,
their group will not dare posting my answer as was the case a while
back when I stood up for such situation. The current post and the
answer goes like this
*****************************
Re: Are singles allowed?

Hi everyone. I am 27, single, and would love to visit XXX this
spring, however it appears that most members are couples.
Also are there others around my age? Thanks for any
response, xo
Cindylou.

Hey Cindy,
Since you're a single "femaile", all is good. Most resorts and clubs
like XXX more than welcome single females. Single males, on the other
hand, are not allowed. When we've been there, we have seen some lone
females.
It is pretty much what you want to make of it.
Dean & Elaine
**************************
I find that answer nearly nauseating when it comes to how the single/
non-accompanied male is being treated at most resorts. I love women,
that is very well known. But not at the expenses of the male gender.
So, it might be time that any male with a semblance of dignity do
stand up and show support to a destination that doesn't require he be
accompanied by a woman, as some sort of passport to gain access to our
resort. More so, once such male does find a female partner that he not
negate TGB was the sole place where he was given access prior to be
with a companion and not suddenly suck up to the very places that turn
him down when he was on a solo venture and stop coming at TGB. Sadly
enough it did happen in the past and that is also very disgraceful.
I want to hear what you all think of this and with the fact we are
also celebrating our 20th year of operation at THE GRAND BARN... do
you welcome that we are that single equal gender friendly.
Time for you all to speak up
Don't forget the next generation, (as in my son Thaila and his team)
is slowly taking over TGB so that what you've enjoyed all along be
kept as you've known it. I'm sure Thaila will take it from the
feedback we'll be getting here.
You can also make your presence felt on our T.W.A.N. message board/
forum athttp://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-...
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/T...

yeah Peter...i have a soft spot for the wimmen too...and there are
clubs that give the single wimmen a hard time also as those couples
have a hard time agreeing on who they want to play with the male or
female....it all equals out in the end....regards..john

WE both have a soft spot for women, John.
Obviously your few detractors haven't noticed that basically you're
very and fully functional and they have bitten very often to the many
bates that they seem to fantasize most on and have negated that in
many conversations we've had they were given hints that you're a
gentleman on a mission... as unpleasant as it has proven at times.
You rightly point out what TGB offers in saying that "if an
intelligent idealogy is in place at the club...such as Peters....folk
do not treat singles as a second class citizen and the rules are lax
enough where a sneaky approach is not
necessary...like because of your rules....you need to check out some
of these type clubs...its a whole different mindset.."
Now, John, if you know of some clubs that give women trouble.. you
know where to send those women... either your way... or this way..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own newsgroup:
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-Online
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Zee]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by Zee

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.
At THE GRAND BARN, I/we prefer to give the preferential treatment
equally to both genders. What prompts me to come up with this is an
inquiry that a single female made to a certain resort. Regrettably,
their group will not dare posting my answer as was the case a while
back when I stood up for such situation. The current post and the
answer goes like this
*****************************
Re: Are singles allowed?

Hi everyone. I am 27, single, and would love to visit XXX this
spring, however it appears that most members are couples.
Also are  there others around my age? Thanks for any
response, xo
Cindylou.

Hey Cindy,
Since you're a single "femaile", all is good. Most resorts and clubs
like XXX more than welcome single females. Single males, on the other
hand, are not allowed. When we've been there, we have seen some lone
females.
It is pretty much what you want to make of it.
Dean & Elaine
**************************
I find that answer nearly nauseating when it comes to how the single/
non-accompanied male is being treated at most resorts. I love women,
that is very well known. But not at the expenses of the male gender.
So, it might be time that any male with a semblance of dignity do
stand up and show support to a destination that doesn't require he be
accompanied by a woman, as some sort of passport to gain access to our
resort. More so, once such male does find a female partner that he not
negate TGB was the sole place where he was given access prior to be
with a companion and not suddenly suck up to the very places that turn
him down when he was on a solo venture and stop coming at TGB. Sadly
enough it did happen in the past and that is also very disgraceful.
I want to hear what you all think of this and with the fact we are
also celebrating our 20th year of operation at THE GRAND BARN... do
you welcome that we are that single equal gender friendly.
Time for you all to speak up
Don't forget the next generation, (as in my son Thaila and his team)
is slowly taking over TGB so that what you've enjoyed all along be
kept as you've known it. I'm sure Thaila will take it from the
feedback we'll be getting here.
You can also make your presence felt on our T.W.A.N. message board/
forum athttp://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-...
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/T...

yeah Peter...i have a soft spot for the wimmen too...and there are
clubs that give the single wimmen a hard time also as those couples
have a hard time agreeing on who they want to play with the male or
female....it all equals out in the end....regards..john

WE both have a soft spot for women, John.
Obviously your few detractors haven't noticed that basically you're
very and fully functional and they have bitten very often to the many
bates that they seem to fantasize most on and have negated that in
many conversations we've had they were given  hints that you're a
gentleman on a mission... as unpleasant as it has proven at times.
You rightly point out what TGB offers in saying that "if an
intelligent idealogy is in place at the club...such as Peters....folk
do not treat singles as a second class citizen and the rules are lax
enough where a sneaky approach is not
necessary...like because of your rules....you need to check out some
of these type clubs...its a whole different mindset.."
Now, John, if you know of some clubs that give women trouble.. you
know where to send those women... either your way... or this way..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-Online
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

well the first club i attended was elysium and there was total peace
and nothing ever mentioned about ...some one hit on some one and on
and on....later in years i went to the low desert camps...glen eden
and olive dell etc..and i thought these guys really have the devil and
tom walker trying to maintain all the behavior rules....and spend alot
of time reprimanding folks...and i remember tolerance and repecting
everyone on an equal basis at elysium....and now we have the word from
canada...UNIVERSALITY....which is fitting for these latter
days....keep the lite on...john

[Richard C.]

Post by Peter Riden
WE both have a soft spot for women, John.
Obviously your few detractors haven't noticed that basically you're
very and fully functional and they have bitten very often to the many
bates that they seem to fantasize most on and have negated that in
many conversations we've had they were given hints that you're a
gentleman on a mission...

============================

This says all we need to know about Peter.......................

[Jenny6833A]

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places ...

The trouble is, Peter, your statement isn't true. These days,
somewhere around 85% or 90% of resorts do admit unmarried,
unaccompanied males.

:-|

Jenny

[Bill S]

The club we're members of doesn't seem to have anti-single men policy. We
know quite a few men who are there by themselves, some as permanent
residents, others as weekend residents. Some we have met seem to prefer to
be single minded and they don't appear to be looking to join couples, or are
openly gay. Some have wives that are not into the nudism but don't have a
problem with their hubby going naked once in awhile. We've only met one guy
with poor social skills who seems like he's in it for the pleasure of
looking at the babes, but most of the babes are seniors, and many of them
seem to be single as well. About two years ago Memorial day, we were there
and the place was crowded. My wife had turned her knee and was on crutches,
and was using the hot tub for the hydrotherapy. I left her alone to go swim
some laps in the indoor pool, and not 5 minutes later a guy plopped down
next to her in the hot tub. He was to the point; he and his wife thought we
were good looking enough to ask if we were into swinging. So the point is
anyone can be annoying or obnoxious not just single guys. Any anyone can
act with civility and use manners including single guys. We just need to
reinforce good behavior and speak out when we're confronted with bad
behavior. Too many people give up on a club because of others being boors
or dolts, or assholes. Management can't be everywhere, we don't need
surveillance cameras, we just need people to speak out against behavior they
don't like.Peer pressure goes along way, even if people act like retards
when confronted, "Who the hell are you to tell me what not to do?"
Bill S in AZ

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.
At THE GRAND BARN, I/we prefer to give the preferential treatment
equally to both genders. What prompts me to come up with this is an
inquiry that a single female made to a certain resort. Regrettably,
their group will not dare posting my answer as was the case a while
back when I stood up for such situation. The current post and the
answer goes like this
*****************************
Re: Are singles allowed?

Hi everyone. I am 27, single, and would love to visit XXX this
spring, however it appears that most members are couples.
Also are there others around my age? Thanks for any
response, xo
Cindylou.

Hey Cindy,
Since you're a single "femaile", all is good. Most resorts and clubs
like XXX more than welcome single females. Single males, on the other
hand, are not allowed. When we've been there, we have seen some lone
females.
It is pretty much what you want to make of it.
Dean & Elaine
**************************
I find that answer nearly nauseating when it comes to how the single/
non-accompanied male is being treated at most resorts. I love women,
that is very well known. But not at the expenses of the male gender.
So, it might be time that any male with a semblance of dignity do
stand up and show support to a destination that doesn't require he be
accompanied by a woman, as some sort of passport to gain access to our
resort. More so, once such male does find a female partner that he not
negate TGB was the sole place where he was given access prior to be
with a companion and not suddenly suck up to the very places that turn
him down when he was on a solo venture and stop coming at TGB. Sadly
enough it did happen in the past and that is also very disgraceful.
I want to hear what you all think of this and with the fact we are
also celebrating our 20th year of operation at THE GRAND BARN... do
you welcome that we are that single equal gender friendly.
Time for you all to speak up
Don't forget the next generation, (as in my son Thaila and his team)
is slowly taking over TGB so that what you've enjoyed all along be
kept as you've known it. I'm sure Thaila will take it from the
feedback we'll be getting here.
You can also make your presence felt on our T.W.A.N. message board/
forum at
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-Online
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Zee]

Post by Bill S
The club we're members of doesn't seem to have anti-single men policy. We
know quite a few men who are there by themselves, some as permanent
residents, others as weekend residents.  Some we have met seem to prefer to
be single minded and they don't appear to be looking to join couples, or are
openly gay.  Some have wives that are not into the nudism but don't have a
problem with their hubby going naked once in awhile.  We've only met one guy
with poor social skills who seems like he's in it for the pleasure of
looking at the babes, but most of the babes are seniors, and many of them
seem to be single as well.  About two years ago Memorial day, we were there
and the place was crowded.  My wife had turned her knee and was on crutches,
and was using the hot tub for the hydrotherapy.  I left her alone to go swim
some laps in the indoor pool, and not 5 minutes later a guy plopped down
next to her in the hot tub.  He was to the point; he and his wife thought we
were good looking enough to ask if we were into swinging.  So the point is
anyone can be annoying or obnoxious not just single guys.  Any anyone can
act with civility and use manners including single guys.  We just need to
reinforce good behavior and speak out when we're confronted with bad
behavior.  Too many people give up on a club because of others being boors
or dolts, or assholes.  Management can't be everywhere, we don't need
surveillance cameras, we just need people to speak out against behavior they
don't like.Peer pressure goes along way, even if people act like retards
when confronted, "Who the hell are you to tell me what not to do?"
Bill S in AZ

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.
At THE GRAND BARN, I/we prefer to give the preferential treatment
equally to both genders. What prompts me to come up with this is an
inquiry that a single female made to a certain resort. Regrettably,
their group will not dare posting my answer as was the case a while
back when I stood up for such situation. The current post and the
answer goes like this
*****************************
Re: Are singles allowed?

Hi everyone. I am 27, single, and would love to visit XXX this
spring, however it appears that most members are couples.
Also are  there others around my age? Thanks for any
response, xo
Cindylou.

Hey Cindy,
Since you're a single "femaile", all is good. Most resorts and clubs
like XXX more than welcome single females. Single males, on the other
hand, are not allowed. When we've been there, we have seen some lone
females.
It is pretty much what you want to make of it.
Dean & Elaine
**************************
I find that answer nearly nauseating when it comes to how the single/
non-accompanied male is being treated at most resorts. I love women,
that is very well known. But not at the expenses of the male gender.
So, it might be time that any male with a semblance of dignity do
stand up and show support to a destination that doesn't require he be
accompanied by a woman, as some sort of passport to gain access to our
resort. More so, once such male does find a female partner that he not
negate TGB was the sole place where he was given access prior to be
with a companion and not suddenly suck up to the very places that turn
him down when he was on a solo venture and stop coming at TGB. Sadly
enough it did happen in the past and that is also very disgraceful.
I want to hear what you all think of this and with the fact we are
also celebrating our 20th year of operation at THE GRAND BARN... do
you welcome that we are that single equal gender friendly.
Time for you all to speak up
Don't forget the next generation, (as in my son Thaila and his team)
is slowly taking over TGB so that what you've enjoyed all along be
kept as you've known it. I'm sure Thaila will take it from the
feedback we'll be getting here.
You can also make your presence felt on our T.W.A.N. message board/
forum at
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-Online
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bill S...i think Peter is saying he does not have the problems you
speak of....if an intelligent idealogy is in place at the club...such
as Peters....folk do not treat singles as a second class citizen and
the rules are lax enough where a sneaky approach is not
necessary...like because of your rules....you need to check out some
of these type clubs...its a whole different mindset....regards...jz

[Anna]

Post by Bill S
The club we're members of doesn't seem to have anti-single men policy. We
know quite a few men who are there by themselves, some as permanent
residents, others as weekend residents. Some we have met seem to prefer to
be single minded and they don't appear to be looking to join couples, or are
openly gay. Some have wives that are not into the nudism but don't have a
problem with their hubby going naked once in awhile. We've only met one guy
with poor social skills who seems like he's in it for the pleasure of
looking at the babes, but most of the babes are seniors, and many of them
seem to be single as well. About two years ago Memorial day, we were there
and the place was crowded. My wife had turned her knee and was on crutches,
and was using the hot tub for the hydrotherapy. I left her alone to go swim
some laps in the indoor pool, and not 5 minutes later a guy plopped down
next to her in the hot tub. He was to the point; he and his wife thought we
were good looking enough to ask if we were into swinging.

See, incidents do happen. So what happened to that guy and his wife?

If you said nothing it proves that inappropriate behavior does happen
at nudist resorts with no consequences for the people doing the
inappropriate behavior.

The couple should have been immediately booted from the club and put
on a black list.

[Anna]

Post by Anna

Post by Bill S
About two years ago Memorial day, we were there
and the place was crowded. My wife had turned her knee and was on crutches,
and was using the hot tub for the hydrotherapy. I left her alone to go swim
some laps in the indoor pool, and not 5 minutes later a guy plopped down
next to her in the hot tub. He was to the point; he and his wife thought we
were good looking enough to ask if we were into swinging.

See, incidents do happen. So what happened to that guy and his wife?
If you said nothing it proves that inappropriate behavior does happen
at nudist resorts with no consequences for the people doing the
inappropriate behavior.

It proves that people may be asked if they were interested. It does NOT mean
the intent was for anything to "happen" openly on the grounds. A private
conversation, a private get together proposal--an appropriate "no thanks,"

Well Bill found it offensive.

and the issue becomes moot. (Gee--kind of works like in "textile" hot tubs,
parties, and clubs---what a coinkidink!)

Yeah, I saw that Jack-In-The Box commercial.

But in reality, I hope that two couples in a hot tub is not an open
invite for swinging, or to even ask about that. If it does suggest
that then I guess all hot tub parties are suspect clothed or not.

Post by Anna
The couple should have been immediately booted from the club and put
on a black list.

Why? For pursuing their lifestyle and interests? It happens in both
worlds--the nudist world AND that "other" world.....

The conversation was about sex. That is not supposed to happen in the
nudist world. I am not saying nudists don't have sex, of course they
do. But they aren't supposed to talk about sex at a nudist venue.

Nudists should not know that there are swingers among them because the
swingers among them aren't supposed to talk about it at all and of
course they aren't supposed to behave in a way in the club for people
to realize they are Swingers. And actually it would be all the better
if they didn't attend the club as they have their own clubs with from
what I can tell very good facilities.

Here are some in the Northwest.

http://thelonghouseredmond.org

http://www.eros-events.org

http://www.aceofhearts.org

http://www.horizonsclub.com

http://www.hardwoodcabin.com

http://arcadianaturally.com

http://www.conservatoryofsubmission.com

My point is with all these places for them to go and "do their thing"
with facilities as good or in many cases unfortunately even better
than what they have at the nudist camps, why must they still go to the
nudist camps and ruin it for everyone else?

[Neosapienis]

Hi Anna,

Post by Anna
The conversation was about sex. That is not supposed to happen in the
nudist world. I am not saying nudists don't have sex, of course they
do. But they aren't supposed to talk about sex at a nudist venue.

The reality is that they do, just as much as they talk about cars, 4WDs,
SUVs, money, politics, which clubs are doing what etc.

Post by Anna
Nudists should not know that there are swingers among them because the
swingers among them aren't supposed to talk about it at all and of
course they aren't supposed to behave in a way in the club for people
to realize they are Swingers.

The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When my
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to meet
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My g/f
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

Post by Anna
And actually it would be all the better
if they didn't attend the club as they have their own clubs with from
what I can tell very good facilities.

Agreed.

Post by Anna
Here are some in the Northwest.
http://thelonghouseredmond.org
http://www.eros-events.org
http://www.aceofhearts.org
http://www.horizonsclub.com
http://www.hardwoodcabin.com
http://arcadianaturally.com
http://www.conservatoryofsubmission.com
My point is with all these places for them to go and "do their thing"
with facilities as good or in many cases unfortunately even better
than what they have at the nudist camps, why must they still go to the
nudist camps and ruin it for everyone else?

Tell me and we'll both know. ;-) Perhaps they are bored with people who go
to their swing clubs and want to find another faction of society that will
tolerate their behaviour.

[Zee]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,

Post by Anna
The conversation was about sex. That is not supposed to happen in the
nudist world.  I am not saying nudists don't have sex, of course they
do. But they aren't supposed to talk about sex at a nudist venue.

The reality is that they do, just as much as they talk about cars, 4WDs,
SUVs, money, politics, which clubs are doing what etc.

Post by Anna
Nudists should not know that there are swingers among them because the
swingers among them aren't supposed to talk about it at all and of
course they aren't supposed to behave in a way in the club for people
to realize they are Swingers.

The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna.  When my
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to meet
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me.  My g/f
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

Post by Anna
And actually it would be all the better
if they didn't attend the club as they have their own clubs with from
what I can tell very good facilities.

Agreed.

Post by Anna
Here are some in the Northwest.
http://thelonghouseredmond.org
http://www.eros-events.org
http://www.aceofhearts.org
http://www.horizonsclub.com
http://www.hardwoodcabin.com
http://arcadianaturally.com
http://www.conservatoryofsubmission.com
My point is with all these places for them to go and "do their thing"
with facilities as good or in many cases unfortunately even better
than what they have at the nudist camps, why must they still go to the
nudist camps and ruin it for everyone else?

Tell me and we'll both know.  ;-)  Perhaps they are bored with people who go
to their swing clubs and want to find another faction of society that will
tolerate their behaviour.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Dario...did you not know before you ran the ad in a social naked
mag...that 90 percent of them would be swingers that called...remember
nudism first attracts perverts....but Dario i luv ya...its all in
growin up....jz

[Anna]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,

Post by Anna
The conversation was about sex. That is not supposed to happen in the
nudist world. I am not saying nudists don't have sex, of course they
do. But they aren't supposed to talk about sex at a nudist venue.

The reality is that they do, just as much as they talk about cars, 4WDs,
SUVs, money, politics, which clubs are doing what etc.

Again, the reality of nudist clubs is far from the wholesome non-
sexual nudism nudists claim goes on there. Despite what they say about
the place being non-sexualized here is more prove that this isn't the
case.

[Anna]

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When my
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to meet
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My g/f
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

Post by Anna
And actually it would be all the better
if they didn't attend the club as they have their own clubs with from
what I can tell very good facilities.

Agreed.

Post by Anna
Here are some in the Northwest.
http://thelonghouseredmond.org
http://www.eros-events.org
http://www.aceofhearts.org
http://www.horizonsclub.com
http://www.hardwoodcabin.com
http://arcadianaturally.com
http://www.conservatoryofsubmission.com
My point is with all these places for them to go and "do their thing"
with facilities as good or in many cases unfortunately even better
than what they have at the nudist camps, why must they still go to the
nudist camps and ruin it for everyone else?

Tell me and we'll both know. ;-) Perhaps they are bored with people who go
to their swing clubs and want to find another faction of society that will
tolerate their behaviour.

[Anna]

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When my
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to meet
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My g/f
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".

[Dario Western]

Hi Anna,

At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When my
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to meet
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My g/f
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".

[naturist]

Post by Neosapienis

Post by Anna
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".

Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

So, how exactly do they enforce that rule unless the swingers actually
"swing"?
Do they have a mind scanner that detects swinging thoughts? I'm sure
Anna would love that.

Seems a bit silly.. people should be "policed" based on their
behavior, not their personal interests.

[Anna]

Post by naturist

Post by Neosapienis

Post by Anna
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".

Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

So, how exactly do they enforce that rule unless the swingers actually
"swing"?
Do they have a mind scanner that detects swinging thoughts? I'm sure
Anna would love that.

No, but at least it puts the swingers on notice how people feel about
them and they would hopefully be more careful.

[Anna]

Post by naturist

Post by Neosapienis

Post by Anna
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".

Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

So, how exactly do they enforce that rule unless the swingers actually
"swing"?

Well I guess they talk about swinging in the club and even ask people
to come swing with them. At least that is what Bill said happened to
him.

[naturist]

Post by Anna
Well I guess they talk about swinging in the club and even ask people
to come swing with them. At least that is what Bill said happened to
him.

That's what the words "no thanks" or "get lost" are for.

Just like when Christians come knocking at ones door soliciting their
fairytales.

[Anna]

Post by naturist

Post by Anna
Well I guess they talk about swinging in the club and even ask people
to come swing with them. At least that is what Bill said happened to
him.

That's what the words "no thanks" or "get lost" are for.

But then the person should be reported and then booted from the club.

[Zee]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna.  When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me.  My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

[naturist]

Post by Zee
Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate

Yeah, right next to the "JonZee is a Fucking Moron" sign.

But we saw that sign a long time ago.

[Dario Western]

Hi JonZeee,

The venue in question is apparently going up for sale. Queensland nudist
venues are beginning to die a quick death as most nude punters are taking
their custom away from traditional clubs and to their private backyards with
groups of friends.

The more legalistic a venue is, the greater the possibility it is eventually
going to fail in business.

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When

my

Post by Anna

ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My

g/f

Post by Anna

was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

[Zee]

Post by Dario Western
Hi JonZeee,
The venue in question is apparently going up for sale.  Queensland nudist
venues are beginning to die a quick death as most nude punters are taking
their custom away from traditional clubs and to their private backyards with
groups of friends.
The more legalistic a venue is, the greater the possibility it is eventually
going to fail in business.

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When

my

Post by Anna

ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them

said

Post by Neosapienis

Post by Anna

'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My

g/f

Post by Anna

was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after

that.

Post by Neosapienis

Post by Anna
So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".-

Hide quoted text -

Post by Neosapienis
- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Dario...the years of youth rebellion has come and gone...ahh let the
kids have some fun was the verbage back in those days and the nudist
blended in as being another behavior that would go away also...and it
was the go go years...and folks were all getting hi and living to the
max....those were the years you missed...and after the kent university
killings by the national guard....one knew and saw the coldness of our
society immediately....but the essense of the matter was the kids
crossed the line in the sand with violence...and folks were
saying....government stop this violent behavior and anarchist
behavior ...the american people are depressed with it...and the rest
is history....the kids went back to studying and making good grades
and devout .capitalist.they are known as liberal democrats now..but
the nudist were left alone with their naked child porn and princess
contest that would soon end after the child porn bust...it was a big
deal all across the country...and now the nudist hang their heads and
lie like dogs about it....saying i was not a nudist then...and it has
to be a lie and nothing nikki craft says is true...but all the rest of
america knows it is true....thats 99.99 percent of the pop....they
nudist are simply waiting for their final day in the sun...while a
textile version of adults at play is all they will have to show for
it...in about ten years...if you have another version and can research
the history back through the sixties in australia... i for sure would
be interested in the highlights of the demise of family nudism in your
country...regards....jonZeee

[Anna]

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna.  When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me.  My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

AT LAST....in my research...one of my objectives is to analyse the
responses of questions that definitely address a most important
problem with a cults behavior that is always and has been for 75 years
in the minds of homosapiens in the usa....and for ten years here in
rec nude i have not gotten a sensible response rather evasive language
of the denial kind....today is 2.11.08....so i will note that in my
memoirs...and i think today would be a great day to celebrate in the
coming years as the first time that question was met with one persons
sensible explanation.....HMMMMM...TACKY...he he ha ha...everything on
planet earth is tacky to someone....even asking why the adulterous ex
president if he is pimping his daughter is considered tacky by some
folks but for an adulterous president with a lesbian acting wife to be
ask that question would be considered an important necessary question
for a lot of folks....and it is an important and necessary question as
asking why you would think it was TACKY to ask folks that ...who
expose their crotches to one another including kids that is against
the laws of our legal system....but not so in a so called nudist
environment....but in private homes and in public....our government
takes a dim view of such things saying it is not in the best interest
of children to be subjected to such behavior....as in the cases of
determining which parent is to be awarded custody of a child....the
naked parent or the clothed parent....now if i can assume you are not
biased regarding this issue....then all is left for you to answer is
why is it tacky to not put the NO ERECTIONS ALLOWED ..on the front
gate because all of those homosapeins driving by can at last know that
nudist do not allow and condone sex or hints of sex on their premises
and that for the firt time those words on the front gate will stop all
sex seekers from entering....as SEX IS ALL ABOUT ERECTIONS of THE TWO
GENDERS...but saying it is tacky is saying ...uh huh...hillary said
today that she was offended by the pimping word so we can assume that
nudist would be offended by suggesting that a no erections sign would
offend the nudist....yet we read over the years of the erections that
occur in nudism and the sexual exploitation of women and children that
occurs in family nudism ...as per the works of nikki craft....nudist
hall of shame...found here on the internet...geesh this is one hell of
a long rant but shucks it seems everyone is ranting about details here
so i had a few moments and thought i would try it...of course nudist
try to identify themselves to the general public as being like bilowy
cloud like angels that do not have genitals...but the history...as
portrayed by media over the years..... by the heneous acts that are
committed inside these establishments reflect a different reality...so
to some it might be tacky...but hey put the damned signs out there on
those gates and eliminate the sex ...if you are serious about
eliminating the question about sex in naked family nudist
camps.....otherwise let the honest folks like SIR PETER RIDEN and
certain nudist naked clubs on hwy 41 in florida be the only legal type
naked establishments in the usa...where children roam and sex is
rampant....and let the other bullshit liars of the so called family
nudist camps be gone....jonZeee

[Anna]

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

AT LAST....in my research...one of my objectives is to analyse the
responses of questions that definitely address a most important
problem with a cults behavior that is always and has been for 75 years
in the minds of homosapiens in the usa....and for ten years here in
rec nude i have not gotten a sensible response rather evasive language
of the denial kind....today is 2.11.08....so i will note that in my
memoirs...and i think today would be a great day to celebrate in the
coming years as the first time that question was met with one persons
sensible explanation.....HMMMMM...TACKY...he he ha ha...everything on
planet earth is tacky to someone....even asking why the adulterous ex
president if he is pimping his daughter is considered tacky by some
folks but for an adulterous president with a lesbian acting wife to be
ask that question would be considered an important necessary question
for a lot of folks....and it is an important and necessary question as
asking why you would think it was TACKY to ask folks that ...who
expose their crotches to one another including kids that is against
the laws of our legal system....but not so in a so called nudist
environment....but in private homes and in public....our government
takes a dim view of such things saying it is not in the best interest
of children to be subjected to such behavior....as in the cases of
determining which parent is to be awarded custody of a child....the
naked parent or the clothed parent....now if i can assume you are not
biased regarding this issue....then all is left for you to answer is
why is it tacky to not put the NO ERECTIONS ALLOWED ..on the front
gate because all of those homosapeins driving by can at last know that
nudist do not allow and condone sex or hints of sex on their premises
and that for the firt time those words on the front gate will stop all
sex seekers from entering....as SEX IS ALL ABOUT ERECTIONS of THE TWO
GENDERS...but saying it is tacky is saying ...uh huh...hillary said
today that she was offended by the pimping word so we can assume that
nudist would be offended by suggesting that a no erections sign would
offend the nudist....yet we read over the years of the erections that
occur in nudism and the sexual exploitation of women and children that
occurs in family nudism ...as per the works of nikki craft....nudist
hall of shame...found here on the internet...geesh this is one hell of
a long rant but shucks it seems everyone is ranting about details here
so i had a few moments and thought i would try it...of course nudist
try to identify themselves to the general public as being like bilowy
cloud like angels that do not have genitals...but the history...as
portrayed by media over the years..... by the heneous acts that are
committed inside these establishments reflect a different reality...so
to some it might be tacky...but hey put the damned signs out there on
those gates and eliminate the sex ...if you are serious about
eliminating the question about sex in naked family nudist
camps.....otherwise let the honest folks like SIR PETER RIDEN and
certain nudist naked clubs on hwy 41 in florida be the only legal type
naked establishments in the usa...where children roam and sex is
rampant....and let the other bullshit liars of the so called family
nudist camps be gone....jonZeee

I just think having a "No Erections Allowed" sign around just suggests
in the minds of the people the opposite. I don't even want people to
think of Erections, much less have them. So that is why I believe a
sign would be inappropriate. But the moment someone has one they
should be booted from the club and be blacklisted.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna.  When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me.  My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

AT LAST....in my research...one of my objectives is to analyse the
responses of questions that definitely address a most important
problem with a cults behavior that is always and has been for 75 years
in the minds of homosapiens in the usa....and for ten years here in
rec nude i have not gotten a sensible response rather evasive language
of the denial kind....today is 2.11.08....so i will note that in my
memoirs...and i think today would be a great day to celebrate in the
coming years as the first time that question was met with one persons
sensible explanation.....HMMMMM...TACKY...he he ha ha...everything on
planet earth is tacky to someone....even asking why the adulterous ex
president if he is pimping his daughter is considered tacky by some
folks but for an adulterous president with a lesbian acting wife to be
ask that question would be considered an important necessary question
for a lot of folks....and it is an important and necessary question as
asking why you would think it was TACKY to ask folks that ...who
expose their crotches to one another including kids that is against
the laws of our legal system....but not so in a so called nudist
environment....but in private homes and in public....our government
takes a dim view of such things saying it is not in the best interest
of children to be subjected to such behavior....as in the cases of
determining which parent is to be awarded custody of a child....the
naked parent or the clothed parent....now if i can assume you are not
biased regarding this issue....then all is left for you to answer is
why is it tacky to not put the NO ERECTIONS ALLOWED ..on the front
gate because all of those homosapeins driving by can at last know that
nudist do not allow and condone sex or hints of sex on their premises
and that for the firt time those words on the front gate will stop all
sex seekers from entering....as SEX IS ALL ABOUT ERECTIONS of THE TWO
GENDERS...but saying it is tacky is saying ...uh huh...hillary said
today that she was offended by the pimping word so we can assume that
nudist would be offended by suggesting that a no erections sign would
offend the nudist....yet we read over the years of the erections that
occur in nudism and the sexual exploitation of women and children that
occurs in family nudism ...as per the works of nikki craft....nudist
hall of shame...found here on the internet...geesh this is one hell of
a long rant but shucks it seems everyone is ranting about details here
so i had a few moments and thought i would try it...of course nudist
try to identify themselves to the general public as being like bilowy
cloud like angels that do not have genitals...but the history...as
portrayed by media over the years..... by the heneous acts that are
committed inside these establishments reflect a different reality...so
to some it might be tacky...but hey put the damned signs out there on
those gates and eliminate the sex ...if you are serious about
eliminating the question about sex in naked family nudist
camps.....otherwise let the honest folks like SIR PETER RIDEN and
certain nudist naked clubs on hwy 41 in florida be the only legal type
naked establishments in the usa...where children roam and sex is
rampant....and let the other bullshit liars of the so called family
nudist camps be gone....jonZeee

I just think having a "No Erections Allowed" sign around just suggests
in the minds of the people the opposite.  I don't even want people to
think of Erections, much less have them. So that is why I believe a
sign would be inappropriate. But the moment someone has one they
should be booted from the club and be blacklisted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...that sounds like denial....we want to suggest in the minds of
the people that no erections is allowed...and if it works then that is
good...am i right....let me tell you how a pervert thinks...since
cyndiann nikki and i are the only ones here that are perverts....a
pervert driving by a nudist camp ...sez...hey naked folks in
there..thats for me.....and he reads and looks for all signs that
would deter him from entering...knowing that hey i get a hard on just
thinking about it....so nothing he sees deters him from entering...so
he enters and goes to the office and still no signs of anything about
erections....he goes in the office and signs in...still no signs that
deter him saying no erections are allowed...and sure enough he read
the fine print...in the rules saying no overt sex...and he says to
himself....ahhh aint that cute....they were trying to hide it from us
perverts but i know they just put it there for some kind of legal
reason...cause if they really meant it they would have had it on the
front gate....see.....Anna do not give a pervert a reason to think you
are accepting something...and you know what...even aanr suggest that
erections can occur but cover it up....so ask any judge or juryman if
they do happen sometimes is that good or bad....if they answer it is
bad then put the signs up outside and no need for excuses not
to....right.....jz

[Zee]

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna.  When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me.  My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

AT LAST....in my research...one of my objectives is to analyse the
responses of questions that definitely address a most important
problem with a cults behavior that is always and has been for 75 years
in the minds of homosapiens in the usa....and for ten years here in
rec nude i have not gotten a sensible response rather evasive language
of the denial kind....today is 2.11.08....so i will note that in my
memoirs...and i think today would be a great day to celebrate in the
coming years as the first time that question was met with one persons
sensible explanation.....HMMMMM...TACKY...he he ha ha...everything on
planet earth is tacky to someone....even asking why the adulterous ex
president if he is pimping his daughter is considered tacky by some
folks but for an adulterous president with a lesbian acting wife to be
ask that question would be considered an important necessary question
for a lot of folks....and it is an important and necessary question as
asking why you would think it was TACKY to ask folks that ...who
expose their crotches to one another including kids that is against
the laws of our legal system....but not so in a so called nudist
environment....but in private homes and in public....our government
takes a dim view of such things saying it is not in the best interest
of children to be subjected to such behavior....as in the cases of
determining which parent is to be awarded custody of a child....the
naked parent or the clothed parent....now if i can assume you are not
biased regarding this issue....then all is left for you to answer is
why is it tacky to not put the NO ERECTIONS ALLOWED ..on the front
gate because all of those homosapeins driving by can at last know that
nudist do not allow and condone sex or hints of sex on their premises
and that for the firt time those words on the front gate will stop all
sex seekers from entering....as SEX IS ALL ABOUT ERECTIONS of THE TWO
GENDERS...but saying it is tacky is saying ...uh huh...hillary said
today that she was offended by the pimping word so we can assume that
nudist would be offended by suggesting that a no erections sign would
offend the nudist....yet we read over the years of the erections that
occur in nudism and the sexual exploitation of women and children that
occurs in family nudism ...as per the works of nikki craft....nudist
hall of shame...found here on the internet...geesh this is one hell of
a long rant but shucks it seems everyone is ranting about details here
so i had a few moments and thought i would try it...of course nudist
try to identify themselves to the general public as being like bilowy
cloud like angels that do not have genitals...but the history...as
portrayed by media over the years..... by the heneous acts that are
committed inside these establishments reflect a different reality...so
to some it might be tacky...but hey put the damned signs out there on
those gates and eliminate the sex ...if you are serious about
eliminating the question about sex in naked family nudist
camps.....otherwise let the honest folks like SIR PETER RIDEN and
certain nudist naked clubs on hwy 41 in florida be the only legal type
naked establishments in the usa...where children roam and sex is
rampant....and let the other bullshit liars of the so called family
nudist camps be gone....jonZeee

I just think having a "No Erections Allowed" sign around just suggests
in the minds of the people the opposite.  I don't even want people to
think of Erections, much less have them. So that is why I believe a
sign would be inappropriate. But the moment someone has one they
should be booted from the club and be blacklisted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...that sounds like denial....we want to suggest in the minds of
the people that no erections is allowed...and if it works then that is
good...am i right....let me tell you how a pervert thinks...since
cyndiann nikki and i are the only ones here that are perverts....a
pervert driving by a nudist camp ...sez...hey naked folks in
there..thats for me.....and he reads and looks for all signs that
would deter him from entering...knowing that hey i get a hard on just
thinking about it....so nothing he sees deters him from entering...so
he enters and goes to the office and still no signs of anything about
erections....he goes in the office and signs in...still no signs that
deter him saying no erections are allowed...and sure enough he read
the fine print...in the rules saying no overt sex...and he says to
himself....ahhh aint that cute....they were trying to hide it from us
perverts but i know they just put it there for some kind of legal
reason...cause if they really meant it they would have had it on the
front gate....see.....Anna do not give a pervert a reason to think you
are accepting something...and you know what...even aanr suggest that
erections can occur but cover it up....so ask any judge or juryman if
they do happen sometimes is that good or bad....if they answer it is
bad then put the signs up outside and no need for excuses not
to....right.....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

also...if there is no signs on the front gate ...and all one knows is
that no overt sex is allowed...and the parents have knowledge of this
rhetoric....then the parent enters the camp thinking well if my son
has one it will be ok...or if their daughter sees one and sez...mommie
that guy has an erection....how do you explain that to the
daughter....well hey kid...they are not supposed to have one...and the
kid says ...well everybody at school only talks about erections when
talking about social nudism....so why did they not have a sign on the
front gate....well honey it would be tacky or they do not want anybody
thinking of erections....so that means that i do not have to think of
not peeing on the toilet seat and you will remove the... lift seat
before peeing....see Anna there is no need to have a no erection sign
at the church or grocery store or the golf club....because they have
never been known to have erections at those places.....but at a nudist
camp...hey that is the first thing folks are thinking about and you
want them to forget it.....once you and other nudist think in terms of
being real honest and seeing nudism as being guilty of all things that
textiles think of you ....then you can stop denying and put the signs
of no erections up on the front gate.....yes it does acknowledge that
the camp is admitting that erections might occur and that we want to
warn you not to enter if this happens to you when around naked
people....put to not have the sign suggest that it is ok and of course
your kids might think the same thing and you would want all things
proper and up front for your kids right...otherwise they might think
you were trying to hide it from them and this could cause trauma for
them throughout their lives....whew....thats bad...jz

[naturist]

Post by Zee

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

AT LAST....in my research...one of my objectives is to analyse the
responses of questions that definitely address a most important
problem with a cults behavior that is always and has been for 75 years
in the minds of homosapiens in the usa....and for ten years here in
rec nude i have not gotten a sensible response rather evasive language
of the denial kind....today is 2.11.08....so i will note that in my
memoirs...and i think today would be a great day to celebrate in the
coming years as the first time that question was met with one persons
sensible explanation.....HMMMMM...TACKY...he he ha ha...everything on
planet earth is tacky to someone....even asking why the adulterous ex
president if he is pimping his daughter is considered tacky by some
folks but for an adulterous president with a lesbian acting wife to be
ask that question would be considered an important necessary question
for a lot of folks....and it is an important and necessary question as
asking why you would think it was TACKY to ask folks that ...who
expose their crotches to one another including kids that is against
the laws of our legal system....but not so in a so called nudist
environment....but in private homes and in public....our government
takes a dim view of such things saying it is not in the best interest
of children to be subjected to such behavior....as in the cases of
determining which parent is to be awarded custody of a child....the
naked parent or the clothed parent....now if i can assume you are not
biased regarding this issue....then all is left for you to answer is
why is it tacky to not put the NO ERECTIONS ALLOWED ..on the front
gate because all of those homosapeins driving by can at last know that
nudist do not allow and condone sex or hints of sex on their premises
and that for the firt time those words on the front gate will stop all
sex seekers from entering....as SEX IS ALL ABOUT ERECTIONS of THE TWO
GENDERS...but saying it is tacky is saying ...uh huh...hillary said
today that she was offended by the pimping word so we can assume that
nudist would be offended by suggesting that a no erections sign would
offend the nudist....yet we read over the years of the erections that
occur in nudism and the sexual exploitation of women and children that
occurs in family nudism ...as per the works of nikki craft....nudist
hall of shame...found here on the internet...geesh this is one hell of
a long rant but shucks it seems everyone is ranting about details here
so i had a few moments and thought i would try it...of course nudist
try to identify themselves to the general public as being like bilowy
cloud like angels that do not have genitals...but the history...as
portrayed by media over the years..... by the heneous acts that are
committed inside these establishments reflect a different reality...so
to some it might be tacky...but hey put the damned signs out there on
those gates and eliminate the sex ...if you are serious about
eliminating the question about sex in naked family nudist
camps.....otherwise let the honest folks like SIR PETER RIDEN and
certain nudist naked clubs on hwy 41 in florida be the only legal type
naked establishments in the usa...where children roam and sex is
rampant....and let the other bullshit liars of the so called family
nudist camps be gone....jonZeee

I just think having a "No Erections Allowed" sign around just suggests
in the minds of the people the opposite. I don't even want people to
think of Erections, much less have them. So that is why I believe a
sign would be inappropriate. But the moment someone has one they
should be booted from the club and be blacklisted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...that sounds like denial....we want to suggest in the minds of
the people that no erections is allowed...and if it works then that is
good...am i right....let me tell you how a pervert thinks...since
cyndiann nikki and i are the only ones here that are perverts....a
pervert driving by a nudist camp ...sez...hey naked folks in
there..thats for me.....and he reads and looks for all signs that
would deter him from entering...knowing that hey i get a hard on just
thinking about it....so nothing he sees deters him from entering...so
he enters and goes to the office and still no signs of anything about
erections....he goes in the office and signs in...still no signs that
deter him saying no erections are allowed...and sure enough he read
the fine print...in the rules saying no overt sex...and he says to
himself....ahhh aint that cute....they were trying to hide it from us
perverts but i know they just put it there for some kind of legal
reason...cause if they really meant it they would have had it on the
front gate....see.....Anna do not give a pervert a reason to think you
are accepting something...and you know what...even aanr suggest that
erections can occur but cover it up....so ask any judge or juryman if
they do happen sometimes is that good or bad....if they answer it is
bad then put the signs up outside and no need for excuses not
to....right.....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

also...if there is no signs on the front gate ...and all one knows is
that no overt sex is allowed...and the parents have knowledge of this
rhetoric....then the parent enters the camp thinking well if my son
has one it will be ok...or if their daughter sees one and sez...mommie
that guy has an erection....how do you explain that to the
daughter....well hey kid...they are not supposed to have one...and the
kid says ...well everybody at school only talks about erections when
talking about social nudism....so why did they not have a sign on the
front gate....well honey it would be tacky or they do not want anybody
thinking of erections....so that means that i do not have to think of
not peeing on the toilet seat and you will remove the... lift seat
before peeing....see Anna there is no need to have a no erection sign
at the church or grocery store or the golf club....because they have
never been known to have erections at those places.....but at a nudist
camp...hey that is the first thing folks are thinking about and you
want them to forget it.....once you and other nudist think in terms of
being real honest and seeing nudism as being guilty of all things that
textiles think of you ....then you can stop denying and put the signs
of no erections up on the front gate.....yes it does acknowledge that
the camp is admitting that erections might occur and that we want to
warn you not to enter if this happens to you when around naked
people....put to not have the sign suggest that it is ok and of course
your kids might think the same thing and you would want all things
proper and up front for your kids right...otherwise they might think
you were trying to hide it from them and this could cause trauma for
them throughout their lives....whew....thats bad...jz

The above is an excellent illustration of "nonsense ramble"

[Anna]

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

AT LAST....in my research...one of my objectives is to analyse the
responses of questions that definitely address a most important
problem with a cults behavior that is always and has been for 75 years
in the minds of homosapiens in the usa....and for ten years here in
rec nude i have not gotten a sensible response rather evasive language
of the denial kind....today is 2.11.08....so i will note that in my
memoirs...and i think today would be a great day to celebrate in the
coming years as the first time that question was met with one persons
sensible explanation.....HMMMMM...TACKY...he he ha ha...everything on
planet earth is tacky to someone....even asking why the adulterous ex
president if he is pimping his daughter is considered tacky by some
folks but for an adulterous president with a lesbian acting wife to be
ask that question would be considered an important necessary question
for a lot of folks....and it is an important and necessary question as
asking why you would think it was TACKY to ask folks that ...who
expose their crotches to one another including kids that is against
the laws of our legal system....but not so in a so called nudist
environment....but in private homes and in public....our government
takes a dim view of such things saying it is not in the best interest
of children to be subjected to such behavior....as in the cases of
determining which parent is to be awarded custody of a child....the
naked parent or the clothed parent....now if i can assume you are not
biased regarding this issue....then all is left for you to answer is
why is it tacky to not put the NO ERECTIONS ALLOWED ..on the front
gate because all of those homosapeins driving by can at last know that
nudist do not allow and condone sex or hints of sex on their premises
and that for the firt time those words on the front gate will stop all
sex seekers from entering....as SEX IS ALL ABOUT ERECTIONS of THE TWO
GENDERS...but saying it is tacky is saying ...uh huh...hillary said
today that she was offended by the pimping word so we can assume that
nudist would be offended by suggesting that a no erections sign would
offend the nudist....yet we read over the years of the erections that
occur in nudism and the sexual exploitation of women and children that
occurs in family nudism ...as per the works of nikki craft....nudist
hall of shame...found here on the internet...geesh this is one hell of
a long rant but shucks it seems everyone is ranting about details here
so i had a few moments and thought i would try it...of course nudist
try to identify themselves to the general public as being like bilowy
cloud like angels that do not have genitals...but the history...as
portrayed by media over the years..... by the heneous acts that are
committed inside these establishments reflect a different reality...so
to some it might be tacky...but hey put the damned signs out there on
those gates and eliminate the sex ...if you are serious about
eliminating the question about sex in naked family nudist
camps.....otherwise let the honest folks like SIR PETER RIDEN and
certain nudist naked clubs on hwy 41 in florida be the only legal type
naked establishments in the usa...where children roam and sex is
rampant....and let the other bullshit liars of the so called family
nudist camps be gone....jonZeee

I just think having a "No Erections Allowed" sign around just suggests
in the minds of the people the opposite. I don't even want people to
think of Erections, much less have them. So that is why I believe a
sign would be inappropriate. But the moment someone has one they
should be booted from the club and be blacklisted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...that sounds like denial....we want to suggest in the minds of
the people that no erections is allowed...and if it works then that is
good...am i right....let me tell you how a pervert thinks...since
cyndiann nikki and i are the only ones here that are perverts....a
pervert driving by a nudist camp ...sez...hey naked folks in
there..thats for me.....and he reads and looks for all signs that
would deter him from entering...knowing that hey i get a hard on just
thinking about it....so nothing he sees deters him from entering...so
he enters and goes to the office and still no signs of anything about
erections....he goes in the office and signs in...still no signs that
deter him saying no erections are allowed...and sure enough he read
the fine print...in the rules saying no overt sex...and he says to
himself....ahhh aint that cute....they were trying to hide it from us
perverts but i know they just put it there for some kind of legal
reason...cause if they really meant it they would have had it on the
front gate....see.....Anna do not give a pervert a reason to think you
are accepting something...and you know what...even aanr suggest that
erections can occur but cover it up....so ask any judge or juryman if
they do happen sometimes is that good or bad....if they answer it is
bad then put the signs up outside and no need for excuses not
to....right.....jz

How about a sign in the sign in center and as one of the things the
greeters say to any new person?

I don't know, I just think the sign itself sexifies the place.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna.  When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me.  My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dario...why do they not put a NO ERECTIONs ALLOWED on the front gate
and that would remove all swingers and perverts and pedos....and make
it a naked convalesent home....uh huh i bet they like all the sex
thats going on...it does make more money.jz

You have mentioned the idea of having a "No Erections Allowed' sign at
the front gate before. The only thing I have against the sign is it
seems kind of tacky and the mere mention of the word "erection" on a
sign would sexify the atmosphere. Perhaps it could be on the papers
they sign or maybe a sign in the welcome center.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

AT LAST....in my research...one of my objectives is to analyse the
responses of questions that definitely address a most important
problem with a cults behavior that is always and has been for 75 years
in the minds of homosapiens in the usa....and for ten years here in
rec nude i have not gotten a sensible response rather evasive language
of the denial kind....today is 2.11.08....so i will note that in my
memoirs...and i think today would be a great day to celebrate in the
coming years as the first time that question was met with one persons
sensible explanation.....HMMMMM...TACKY...he he ha ha...everything on
planet earth is tacky to someone....even asking why the adulterous ex
president if he is pimping his daughter is considered tacky by some
folks but for an adulterous president with a lesbian acting wife to be
ask that question would be considered an important necessary question
for a lot of folks....and it is an important and necessary question as
asking why you would think it was TACKY to ask folks that ...who
expose their crotches to one another including kids that is against
the laws of our legal system....but not so in a so called nudist
environment....but in private homes and in public....our government
takes a dim view of such things saying it is not in the best interest
of children to be subjected to such behavior....as in the cases of
determining which parent is to be awarded custody of a child....the
naked parent or the clothed parent....now if i can assume you are not
biased regarding this issue....then all is left for you to answer is
why is it tacky to not put the NO ERECTIONS ALLOWED ..on the front
gate because all of those homosapeins driving by can at last know that
nudist do not allow and condone sex or hints of sex on their premises
and that for the firt time those words on the front gate will stop all
sex seekers from entering....as SEX IS ALL ABOUT ERECTIONS of THE TWO
GENDERS...but saying it is tacky is saying ...uh huh...hillary said
today that she was offended by the pimping word so we can assume that
nudist would be offended by suggesting that a no erections sign would
offend the nudist....yet we read over the years of the erections that
occur in nudism and the sexual exploitation of women and children that
occurs in family nudism ...as per the works of nikki craft....nudist
hall of shame...found here on the internet...geesh this is one hell of
a long rant but shucks it seems everyone is ranting about details here
so i had a few moments and thought i would try it...of course nudist
try to identify themselves to the general public as being like bilowy
cloud like angels that do not have genitals...but the history...as
portrayed by media over the years..... by the heneous acts that are
committed inside these establishments reflect a different reality...so
to some it might be tacky...but hey put the damned signs out there on
those gates and eliminate the sex ...if you are serious about
eliminating the question about sex in naked family nudist
camps.....otherwise let the honest folks like SIR PETER RIDEN and
certain nudist naked clubs on hwy 41 in florida be the only legal type
naked establishments in the usa...where children roam and sex is
rampant....and let the other bullshit liars of the so called family
nudist camps be gone....jonZeee

I just think having a "No Erections Allowed" sign around just suggests
in the minds of the people the opposite.  I don't even want people to
think of Erections, much less have them. So that is why I believe a
sign would be inappropriate. But the moment someone has one they
should be booted from the club and be blacklisted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...that sounds like denial....we want to suggest in the minds of
the people that no erections is allowed...and if it works then that is
good...am i right....let me tell you how a pervert thinks...since
cyndiann nikki and i are the only ones here that are perverts....a
pervert driving by a nudist camp ...sez...hey naked folks in
there..thats for me.....and he reads and looks for all signs that
would deter him from entering...knowing that hey i get a hard on just
thinking about it....so nothing he sees deters him from entering...so
he enters and goes to the office and still no signs of anything about
erections....he goes in the office and signs in...still no signs that
deter him saying no erections are allowed...and sure enough he read
the fine print...in the rules saying no overt sex...and he says to
himself....ahhh aint that cute....they were trying to hide it from us
perverts but i know they just put it there for some kind of legal
reason...cause if they really meant it they would have had it on the
front gate....see.....Anna do not give a pervert a reason to think you
are accepting something...and you know what...even aanr suggest that
erections can occur but cover it up....so ask any judge or juryman if
they do happen sometimes is that good or bad....if they answer it is
bad then put the signs up outside and no need for excuses not
to....right.....jz

How about a sign in the sign in center and as one of the things the
greeters say to any new person?
I don't know, I just think the sign itself sexifies the place.- Hide quoted text -
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a sign in the sign...dont quite understand...but i do understand that
a no erection sign DE SEXIFIES THE PLACE RATHER THAN
SEXIFY....perverts going down the freeway and seeing the sign could
decrease speed to 60...read it and forget about the place before they
go back to 70 and past the next exit....perverts are respectful of
signs but without them they will make a fool of the place and its
ignorance..sure a guys gets kicked out sometimes but he had his fun
and the next guy does too and on and on...and all the nudist in denial
are fools.....all this sex business in nudist camps could have been
prevented 75 years ago with the sign on the front gate....now some
clubs welcome hard ons...elysium...louisana..and a few scattered here
and there....those guys that run those places need not have a sign on
the gate saying erections are welcome...as it is obvious they are...jz

[naturist]

....perverts are respectful of signs but without them they will make > a fool of the place and its ignorance..

So then if we put a sign up here, you will go away?

[Zee]

Post by naturist

....perverts are respectful of signs but without them they will make > a fool of the place and its ignorance..

So then if we put a sign up here, you will go away?

i will go you one better ...i will leave rec nude forever when the
signs are put on the front gates....and then all perverts can say the
same thing ....gee i know it would hairlip every mule in missouri for
a nudist to be upfront and honest....and of course leaving rec nude
would need to be replaced by something that would offer my daily
laughs ...but laughs are everywhere with so many primates around that
are not yet civilized....jz

[Anna]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,
At one of the nudist places I go to on the odd occasion, they have a sign
proclaiming exactly that in their clubhouse.

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
The problem with this thread is that it is too theoretical, Anna. When

my

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
ex g/f and myself advertised in Sun & Health magazine back in '98 to

meet

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
couples for beach trips, dining out, massage etc, about 90% of them said
'oh, we're swingers btw' within the first 5 minutes of phoning me. My

g/f

Post by Anna

Post by Neosapienis
was disgusted and said that she didn't want to meet any more after that.

So nudism does attract swingers. Something needs to be done to stop
that. Perhaps a sign at nudist clubs saying "swingers not allowed".

Good for them.

[Terry J. Wood]

Post by Neosapienis

Post by Anna
The conversation was about sex. That is not supposed to happen in the
nudist world. I am not saying nudists don't have sex, of course they
do. But they aren't supposed to talk about sex at a nudist venue.

The reality is that they do, just as much as they talk about cars, 4WDs,
SUVs, money, politics, which clubs are doing what etc.

Sometimes people ask me about SEX at nudist venues, just like they do here
on the net. They'll say, "Gee, Terry, are you a man or a woman? I can't
tell because of your androgynous name. Of course, I'll tell them, "YES,
I'm a man or a woman!"

So unfortunately, in the REAL WORLD, nudists sometimes talk about S-E-X.

[Anna]

Post by Terry J. Wood

Post by Neosapienis

Post by Anna
The conversation was about sex. That is not supposed to happen in the
nudist world. I am not saying nudists don't have sex, of course they
do. But they aren't supposed to talk about sex at a nudist venue.

The reality is that they do, just as much as they talk about cars, 4WDs,
SUVs, money, politics, which clubs are doing what etc.

Sometimes people ask me about SEX at nudist venues, just like they do here
on the net. They'll say, "Gee, Terry, are you a man or a woman? I can't
tell because of your androgynous name. Of course, I'll tell them, "YES,
I'm a man or a woman!"
So unfortunately, in the REAL WORLD, nudists sometimes talk about S-E-X.

But when, they unfortunately do, they should be booted from the club
and put on a black list.

[Anna]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Anna,

Post by Anna
The conversation was about sex. That is not supposed to happen in the
nudist world. I am not saying nudists don't have sex, of course they
do. But they aren't supposed to talk about sex at a nudist venue.

The reality is that they do, just as much as they talk about cars, 4WDs,
SUVs, money, politics, which clubs are doing what etc.

See, that is one of the reasons why people have trouble believing
nudists. They say that sex has nothing to do with nudism and then you
find out that they do talk about sex at the nudist clubs.

[naturist]

Post by Anna
See, that is one of the reasons why people have trouble believing
nudists. They say that sex has nothing to do with nudism and then you
find out that they do talk about sex at the nudist clubs.

Talking about something and doing the deed are two totally different
things, dipshit - a concept you have (repeatedly) demonstrated to lack
the intelligence to comprehend.

Nudists talk about things that any normal healthy human beings talk
about. And that includes sex. *Gasp!*. But that doesn't in any way
make nudism "sexual".

I think we nudists who actually GO to nudist resorts know a bit more
about the matter than you, Mrs. Crabbits.

[Zee]

Post by naturist

Post by Anna
See, that is one of the reasons why people have trouble believing
nudists.  They say that sex has nothing to do with nudism and then you
find out that they do talk about sex at the nudist clubs.

Talking about something and doing the deed are two totally different
things, dipshit - a concept you have (repeatedly) demonstrated to lack
the intelligence to comprehend.
Nudists talk about things that any normal healthy human beings talk
about. And that includes sex. *Gasp!*. But that doesn't in any way
make nudism "sexual".
I think we nudists who actually GO to nudist resorts know a bit more
about the matter than you, Mrs. Crabbits.

but they sexually assault women at como...and that is not talk...that
is talk turned to action....how ignorant can a nudist be
naturist..surely they are not all soooo profoundly ignorant as
you.....jz

[naturist]

Post by Zee
but they sexually assault women at como...and that is not
talk...that is talk turned to action....

No, that is too much booze in a dumbass. Probably someone like you.
Sexual assault has nothing to do with normal adults talking about sex.
It is usually initiated by mentally deficient individuals (e.g. people
like you).

You say "they sexually assault women" as if this happens every day. Do
you have a list of all these women who were sexually assaulted? No you
do not. Because it isn't the case. As usual you're taking an isolated
incident and applying it to the whole. THAT is ignorance, asswipe.

Post by Zee
how ignorant can a nudist be naturist..

Well you claim to be a nudist so I guess you have your answer.

[Zee]

Post by naturist

Post by Zee
but they sexually assault women at como...and that is not
talk...that is talk turned to action....

No, that is too much booze in a dumbass. Probably someone like you.
Sexual assault has nothing to do with normal adults talking about sex.
It is usually initiated by mentally deficient individuals (e.g. people
like you).
You say "they sexually assault women" as if this happens every day. Do
you have a list of all these women who were sexually assaulted? No you
do not. Because it isn't the case. As usual you're taking an isolated
incident and applying it to the whole. THAT is ignorance, asswipe.

Post by Zee
how ignorant can a nudist be naturist..

Well you claim to be a nudist so I guess you have your answer.

and i rest my case with that nonsense ramble........jz

[naturist]

Post by Zee
and i rest my case with that nonsense ramble........jz

LMFAO! You "rest your case"?

Which one? The third case of Bud you just finished?
You don't have, and never have had a case, JZ. Except a hefty case of
clueless perhaps.

And nonsense ramble? You're the sole expert in that dept. Hell,
anything I post is a Shakespearean masterpiece compared to the
driveling shit you come up with. And at least I deal in facts.

Face it, once again you have no answer for the question put to you.
Your feeble smokescreen isn't gonna change that.

[Anna]

Post by Zee

Post by naturist

Post by Anna
See, that is one of the reasons why people have trouble believing
nudists. They say that sex has nothing to do with nudism and then you
find out that they do talk about sex at the nudist clubs.

Talking about something and doing the deed are two totally different
things, dipshit - a concept you have (repeatedly) demonstrated to lack
the intelligence to comprehend.
Nudists talk about things that any normal healthy human beings talk
about. And that includes sex. *Gasp!*. But that doesn't in any way
make nudism "sexual".
I think we nudists who actually GO to nudist resorts know a bit more
about the matter than you, Mrs. Crabbits.

but they sexually assault women at como...and that is not talk...that
is talk turned to action....how ignorant can a nudist be
naturist..surely they are not all soooo profoundly ignorant as
you.....jz

Yeah, look at what happened to Cyndiann at Lake Como!

[naturist]

Post by Anna
Yeah, look at what happened to Cyndiann at Lake Como!

Yeah you've run that into the ground. Know anyone else who has been
harassed? The way you are going on you'd have everyone believe that
it's a daily occurrence. If we applied your thinking to Churches then
no choir boy is safe.

Stupid bitch

[Anna]

Post by naturist

Post by Anna
See, that is one of the reasons why people have trouble believing
nudists. They say that sex has nothing to do with nudism and then you
find out that they do talk about sex at the nudist clubs.

Talking about something and doing the deed are two totally different
things, dipshit - a concept you have (repeatedly) demonstrated to lack
the intelligence to comprehend.

They might be two different things but both sexifies the atmosphere.

Post by naturist
Nudists talk about things that any normal healthy human beings talk
about. And that includes sex. *Gasp!*. But that doesn't in any way
make nudism "sexual".

Yes, it does make the place sexual if they are going on talking about
sex. Would you talk about sex at a church picnic? Not in most
churches.

Would you talk about sex at a family reunion? If you would I just
have one word to say...ewwww!

A nudist camp should be just as sexual as either of those two places I
mentioned. What I mean is it should be nonsexual. If someone can't
stop talking about sex even for a weekend then that person shouldn't
be at a nudist camp.

[naturist]

Post by Anna
They might be two different things but both sexifies the atmosphere.

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Private conversations about sex do not. You should really stop
projecting your sexual dysfunctions and paranoia on others who are
more enlightened than you are.


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Post by Anna
Yes, it does make the place sexual if they are going on talking about
sex.
Would you talk about sex at a church picnic? Not in most
churches.
Would you talk about sex at a family reunion? If you would I just
have one word to say...ewwww!

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A nudist resort is not a church nor is it a family reunion. It is a
place where NORMAL people enjoy outdoor activities nude just as they
would if they were clothed. That's the only difference.

And if you really believe that talk about sex does not occur at family
reunions or church picnics then you are truly clueless. As a teen I
attended church school and went on church picnics and I assure you we
boys and girls talked about sex, flirted and some even snuck away to
kiss.


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Post by Anna
A nudist camp should be just as sexual as either of those two places I
mentioned. What I mean is it should be nonsexual. If someone can't
stop talking about sex even for a weekend then that person shouldn't
be at a nudist camp.

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Most people are capable of discussing a wide range of topics. Unlike
you, who seem obsessed with sex. You are the one who needs to stay
away from nudist resorts. You are not mentality sound.

Again, get psychiatric help.. soon.

[Anna]

Post by naturist
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Private conversations about sex do not. You should really stop
projecting your sexual dysfunctions and paranoia on others who are
more enlightened than you are.

So you are saying that people can go around talking about sex all day
long and that doesn't sexify the environment there?

Are you kidding? Sexual talk is indeed sexy in and of itself. Ever
heard of exotic fiction? That's not sex, reading it isn't I mean, even
out loud, but still reading it outloud would sexify the environment
and people would find it very offensive.

Why must someone talk about sex at a nudist resort? In most public
places people don't go around talking about sex.

[naturist]

Post by Anna
So you are saying that people can go around talking about sex all day
long and that doesn't sexify the environment there?
Are you kidding? Sexual talk is indeed sexy in and of itself. Ever
heard of exotic fiction? That's not sex, reading it isn't I mean, even
out loud, but still reading it outloud would sexify the environment
and people would find it very offensive.
Why must someone talk about sex at a nudist resort? In most public
places people don't go around talking about sex.

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Why are you assuming that anyone would go around ALL DAY and talk
about sex? I never said that. I don't know anyone who would do that,
and I doubt they would last long at a nudist resort. That doesn't mean
that's it's taboo to have a discussion that involves some facet of
sexuality while at a nudist resort. Do grow up.

Having an adult conversation about sex is not the same as porn
fiction. Not in the least. Why do you always take something and
exaggerate it to the most unlikely and extreme scenario?

Again, you obviously have severe mental issues when it comes to sexual
subjects. You need to stay away from nudists. I definately wouldn't
want you near my kids.

[Zee]

Post by naturist

Post by Anna
So you are saying that people can go around talking about sex all day
long and that doesn't sexify the environment there?
Are you kidding?  Sexual talk is indeed sexy in and of itself.  Ever
heard of exotic fiction? That's not sex, reading it isn't I mean, even
out loud, but still reading it outloud would sexify the environment
and people would find it very offensive.
Why must someone talk about sex at a nudist resort? In most public
places people don't go around talking about sex.

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Why are you assuming that anyone would go around ALL DAY and talk
about sex? I never said that. I don't know anyone who would do that,
and I doubt they would last long at a nudist resort. That doesn't mean
that's it's taboo to have a discussion that involves some facet  of
sexuality while at a nudist resort. Do grow up.
Having an adult conversation about sex is not the same as porn
fiction. Not in the least. Why do you always take something and
exaggerate it to the most unlikely and extreme scenario?
Again, you obviously have severe mental issues when it comes to sexual
subjects. You need to stay away from nudists. I definately wouldn't
want you near my kids.

i know you are right...you want your kids around folks that fuck em
like you....you should not trust anyone like Anna....she does not do
those things and she might tell on you....jz

[naturist]

Post by Zee
i know you are right...you want your kids around folks that fuck em
like you....

Yeah. Well just try saying that without hiding behind your little
WebTV toy sometime...

Post by Zee
you should not trust anyone like Anna....she does not do
those things and she might tell on you....jz

Anna does those things in is fantasies, like you. He's a loser who
never leaves his mom's basement and is probably Googling new sex sites
at this very moment. Or sucking your dick.

[Anna]

Post by naturist
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Private conversations about sex do not. You should really stop
projecting your sexual dysfunctions and paranoia on others who are
more enlightened than you are.
---------------------------------------------------------------------> Yes, it does make the place sexual if they are going on talking about

Post by Anna
sex.
Would you talk about sex at a church picnic? Not in most
churches.
Would you talk about sex at a family reunion? If you would I just
have one word to say...ewwww!

---------------------------------------------------------------------
A nudist resort is not a church nor is it a family reunion. It is a
place where NORMAL people enjoy outdoor activities nude just as they
would if they were clothed. That's the only difference.

But it is supposed to be as sexual as church picnic or a family
reunion.

[naturist]

Post by Anna
But it is supposed to be as sexual as church picnic or a family
reunion.

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And that is true. Like I just illustrated, even church picnics or
family reunions have an innocent sexuality to them. Anyone there are
people, that will be the case. It's part of being human (i.e. NORMAL -
that which you are not).

[Anna]

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.
At THE GRAND BARN, I/we prefer to give the preferential treatment
equally to both genders. What prompts me to come up with this is an
inquiry that a single female made to a certain resort. Regrettably,
their group will not dare posting my answer as was the case a while
back when I stood up for such situation. The current post and the
answer goes like this
*****************************
Re: Are singles allowed?

Hi everyone. I am 27, single, and would love to visit XXX this
spring, however it appears that most members are couples.
Also are there others around my age? Thanks for any
response, xo
Cindylou.

Hey Cindy,
Since you're a single "femaile", all is good. Most resorts and clubs
like XXX more than welcome single females. Single males, on the other
hand, are not allowed. When we've been there, we have seen some lone
females.
It is pretty much what you want to make of it.
Dean & Elaine
**************************
I find that answer nearly nauseating when it comes to how the single/
non-accompanied male is being treated at most resorts. I love women,
that is very well known. But not at the expenses of the male gender.
So, it might be time that any male with a semblance of dignity do
stand up and show support to a destination that doesn't require he be
accompanied by a woman, as some sort of passport to gain access to our
resort. More so, once such male does find a female partner that he not
negate TGB was the sole place where he was given access prior to be
with a companion and not suddenly suck up to the very places that turn
him down when he was on a solo venture and stop coming at TGB. Sadly
enough it did happen in the past and that is also very disgraceful.
I want to hear what you all think of this and with the fact we are
also celebrating our 20th year of operation at THE GRAND BARN... do
you welcome that we are that single equal gender friendly.
Time for you all to speak up
Don't forget the next generation, (as in my son Thaila and his team)
is slowly taking over TGB so that what you've enjoyed all along be
kept as you've known it. I'm sure Thaila will take it from the
feedback we'll be getting here.
You can also make your presence felt on our T.W.A.N. message board/
forum athttp://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com/closer/
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
alt.the-worldwide-affiliate-network
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Affiliate-Online
hhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nudity-/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

From what I can tell from browsing some websites, most nudist places
allow the single/non-accompanied male.

Look, I don't have a problem with your place now that you don't call
it nudist and you don't allow children. I would feel the same way
about Caliente, Paradise Lakes, Lake Como, if they would stop being
affiliated with a nudist organization, stopped calling themselves
nudist, and didn't allow children to be there.

[Terry J. Wood]

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.

Good for you Peter! That's wonderful news. You are indeed a generous and
fair fellow!

I hope that all single (non-accompanied) men will read this and come to the
Grand Barn in the near future!

[Zee]

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.

Good for you Peter!  That's wonderful news.  You are indeed a generous and
fair fellow!
I hope that all single (non-accompanied) men will read this and come to the
Grand Barn in the near future!

sure enough....many managers of clubs have said for years...the single
male is the best behaved of all the clientele..and the cash registers
also show they are the bread and butter of social nakedness....jz

[Neosapienis]

Hi Peter,

Good to see you back on here mate!

Post by Peter Riden
I find it aberrant that the single/non-accompanied male be that much
excluded at most places while at once the single/non-accompanied
female would get the preferential treatment.

It's sickening, hey? I have pontificated on this a bit in my recent article
in TAN magazine, as to why mainstream nudist clubs are not attracting
younger lifeblood.
The younger generations are not stupid - they can see right through the
deceptive philosophy of 'naturism is for everybody', and 'naturism is about
freedom' and then they find there are clubs that discriminate against the
single guy.

I don't understand the mentality of these people. Is it done to protect and
nurture the emotional and spiritual immaturity of some women who are
frightened of being in the company of predominantly single guys? Do they
have a fear that they will be raped or molested by them, or be looked at
inappropriately? If that is so, then they should just stick to being
textiles or practice naturism in their back yard only covered by a 40 foot
fence with barbed electric wire at the top. I've always believed that those
who sacrifice their liberty for a little imagined security deserve neither.

Nudist clubs are not doing themselves a favour by shutting single guys out,
considering that they are the backbone of social nudism today and contribute
the most money to clubs. Besides that, I am sure that there are also single
women in nudism who want to go to clubs and resorts to meet single guys they
can hook up with.

Keep up the good work, Peter!

Best wishes,

Dario Western

[Anna]

Post by Neosapienis
Nudist clubs are not doing themselves a favour by shutting single guys out,
considering that they are the backbone of social nudism today and contribute
the most money to clubs.

I have always said that the bigger threat are families with perverse
sexual dynamics going on within them.

But I have to admit there is a problem with single males too.

[Anna]

The younger generations are not stupid - they can see right through the
deceptive philosophy of 'naturism is for everybody'

Naturism isn't for everybody. You have to have a certain mindset that
some can not or will not maintain.

[Anna]

Post by Neosapienis
Besides that, I am sure that there are also single
women in nudism who want to go to clubs and resorts to meet single guys they
can hook up with.

It would be just as inappropriate for a woman to go to a nudist venue
for that reason as it would be for a guy to go there with the purpose
of hooking up with a single woman.

Nudist venues are not places for anyone to hook up. That goes against
nudism.

[nudist_emy]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Peter,
Nudist clubs are not doing themselves a favour by shutting single guys out,
considering that they are the backbone of social nudism today and contribute
the most money to clubs. Besides that, I am sure that there are also single
women in nudism who want to go to clubs and resorts to meet single guys they
can hook up with.

using the term hook-up maybe isnt the right 1 with the current meaning
of to-have-sex-with. but there are some of us that would like to meet
nice, available, straight, single guys that are nudists too. how or
where are we supposed to do that? maybe i dont want to find a nice
textile guy and have to convert him to nudist. is it that hard to
weed out the freaks, perverts, assholes, and jerks from applicants or
attendees?

[Anna]

Post by nudist_emy

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Peter,
Nudist clubs are not doing themselves a favour by shutting single guys out,
considering that they are the backbone of social nudism today and contribute
the most money to clubs. Besides that, I am sure that there are also single
women in nudism who want to go to clubs and resorts to meet single guys they
can hook up with.

using the term hook-up maybe isnt the right 1 with the current meaning
of to-have-sex-with. but there are some of us that would like to meet
nice, available, straight, single guys that are nudists too. how or
where are we supposed to do that? maybe i dont want to find a nice
textile guy and have to convert him to nudist. is it that hard to
weed out the freaks, perverts, assholes, and jerks from applicants or
attendees?

Now are you the person who said you had sex with your Dad? Please
forgive me if you aren't but someone actually came on this news group
and said she had sex with her dad. Hopefully she was just making that
up.

[nudist_emy]

Post by Anna

Post by nudist_emy

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Peter,
Nudist clubs are not doing themselves a favour by shutting single guys out,
considering that they are the backbone of social nudism today and contribute
the most money to clubs. Besides that, I am sure that there are also single
women in nudism who want to go to clubs and resorts to meet single guys they
can hook up with.

using the term hook-up maybe isnt the right 1 with the current meaning
of to-have-sex-with. but there are some of us that would like to meet
nice, available, straight, single guys that are nudists too. how or
where are we supposed to do that? maybe i dont want to find a nice
textile guy and have to convert him to nudist. is it that hard to
weed out the freaks, perverts, assholes, and jerks from applicants or
attendees?

Now are you the person who said you had sex with your Dad? Please
forgive me if you aren't but someone actually came on this news group
and said she had sex with her dad. Hopefully she was just making that
up.

im not sure which news group your referring to but ive never said such
a thing in any of the 4 groups listed. i was responding to what was
posted in aus.culture.naturist. i dont see a connection between what
you said and my post about singles in nudist resorts.

[Anna]

Post by nudist_emy

Post by Anna

Post by nudist_emy

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Peter,
Nudist clubs are not doing themselves a favour by shutting single guys out,
considering that they are the backbone of social nudism today and contribute
the most money to clubs. Besides that, I am sure that there are also single
women in nudism who want to go to clubs and resorts to meet single guys they
can hook up with.

using the term hook-up maybe isnt the right 1 with the current meaning
of to-have-sex-with. but there are some of us that would like to meet
nice, available, straight, single guys that are nudists too. how or
where are we supposed to do that? maybe i dont want to find a nice
textile guy and have to convert him to nudist. is it that hard to
weed out the freaks, perverts, assholes, and jerks from applicants or
attendees?

Now are you the person who said you had sex with your Dad? Please
forgive me if you aren't but someone actually came on this news group
and said she had sex with her dad. Hopefully she was just making that
up.

im not sure which news group your referring to but ive never said such
a thing in any of the 4 groups listed. i was responding to what was
posted in aus.culture.naturist. i dont see a connection between what
you said and my post about singles in nudist resorts.

Ok, it wasn't you. Sorry. Someone else must have posted that crap.

[Anna]

Post by nudist_emy

Post by Neosapienis
Hi Peter,
Nudist clubs are not doing themselves a favour by shutting single guys out,
considering that they are the backbone of social nudism today and contribute
the most money to clubs. Besides that, I am sure that there are also single
women in nudism who want to go to clubs and resorts to meet single guys they
can hook up with.

using the term hook-up maybe isnt the right 1 with the current meaning
of to-have-sex-with. but there are some of us that would like to meet
nice, available, straight, single guys that are nudists too. how or
where are we supposed to do that? maybe i dont want to find a nice
textile guy and have to convert him to nudist. is it that hard to
weed out the freaks, perverts, assholes, and jerks from applicants or
attendees?

Well, it is indeed tough because you aren't supposed to "pick up" any
guys there. What you have to do is engage in the slow process of
getting to know each other. Once that occurs over several months at
the resort then you might mention a play that you happen to have a
couple of tickets for and that your friend at the last moment couldn't
attend with you. And then you start doing stuff outside of the
environment of the nudist camp.

Can you see how that can be different than going to a nudist club to
find men to pick up? It is more gradual and far less aggressive And
most of it takes place outside the nudist environment after knowing
the person at the camp for a while.

[Neosapienis]

Hi,

I thought I'd let the group know that the venue Peter was having a go
at regarding his dismay at their rejection of single guys is Sea
Mountain Inn, a nude spa in Palm Springs that welcomes families and
only heterosexual married couples. Gay men couples are not welcome,
but I wonder if they would throw the red carpet out if a lesbian
married couple were to apply for membership?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seamountaininn

I would advise everyone to send the idiots who run this joint angry
and indignant emails pressuring them to relent on their anti-single
men policy.

[naturist]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi,
I thought I'd let the group know that the venue Peter was having a go
at regarding his dismay at their rejection of single guys is Sea
Mountain Inn, a nude spa in Palm Springs that welcomes families and
only heterosexual married couples. Gay men couples are not welcome,
but I wonder if they would throw the red carpet out if a lesbian
married couple were to apply for membership?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seamountaininn
I would advise everyone to send the idiots who run this joint angry
and indignant emails pressuring them to relent on their anti-single
men policy.

Sounds a place to avoid like the plague. Obviously run by bigots (Anna
would be right at home).

Only couples and families eh? Well last time I checked there were
quite a few families with same sex parents out there. Discrimination
based on sexual orientation is illegal. Perhaps a lawsuit is in order.

[Casa Blanca Hot Spring]

Families are not allowed. Couples and single woman only.

Post by naturist

Post by Neosapienis
Hi,
I thought I'd let the group know that the venue Peter was having a go
at regarding his dismay at their rejection of single guys is Sea
Mountain Inn, a nude spa in Palm Springs that welcomes families and
only heterosexual married couples. Gay men couples are not welcome,
but I wonder if they would throw the red carpet out if a lesbian
married couple were to apply for membership?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seamountaininn
I would advise everyone to send the idiots who run this joint angry
and indignant emails pressuring them to relent on their anti-single
men policy.

Sounds a place to avoid like the plague. Obviously run by bigots (Anna
would be right at home).
Only couples and families eh? Well last time I checked there were
quite a few families with same sex parents out there. Discrimination
based on sexual orientation is illegal. Perhaps a lawsuit is in order.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:50:31 -0800 (PST), Neosapienis

Post by Neosapienis
Hi,
I thought I'd let the group know that the venue Peter was having a go
at regarding his dismay at their rejection of single guys is Sea
Mountain Inn, a nude spa in Palm Springs that welcomes families and
only heterosexual married couples.

NO children allowed. Not nudist or naturist.

[Ck]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:50:31 -0800 (PST), Neosapienis

Post by Neosapienis
Hi,
I thought I'd let the group know that the venue Peter was having a go
at regarding his dismay at their rejection of single guys is Sea
Mountain Inn, a nude spa in Palm Springs that welcomes families and
only heterosexual married couples.  

NO children allowed. Not nudist or naturist.

Au' contrare ST ... Sea Mountian Inn, a Hotel and day Spa, is a
clothing optional facility. They cater to adult couples and adult
females only. Groups, including groups of women are encouraged so that
would most certainly include Lesbians in the absence of any material
saying otherwise.

http://www.seamountaininn.com/

This is a quality private facility, operating lawfully, and openly,
offering clothing optional enjoyment and catering to a specific
market. Beyond that it is no one else's business. I cannot see
anywhere that they advertise as a nudist/naturist resort so should not
be critiqued with those that do.

www.fairwindlakes.com
http://groups.google.com/group/billyville

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:08:26 -0800 (PST), Ck
...

Post by Stuffed Tiger
NO children allowed. Not nudist or naturist.

Au' contrare ST ... I cannot see
anywhere that they advertise as a nudist/naturist resort so should not
be critiqued with those that do.

I didn't critique them. I stated two facts:
(1) NO children allowed
(2) Not nudist or naturist

You said you were going to contradict me and then reiterated my (2).
My (1) is also true. Sounds like we are in agreement; however much I
cannot believe that.

[Casa Blanca Hot Spring]

Hi,

Families are NOT welcome. Only het couples and singe women are welcome. It's
an adults ONLY place.

Bill

Post by Neosapienis
Hi,
I thought I'd let the group know that the venue Peter was having a go
at regarding his dismay at their rejection of single guys is Sea
Mountain Inn, a nude spa in Palm Springs that welcomes families and
only heterosexual married couples. Gay men couples are not welcome,
but I wonder if they would throw the red carpet out if a lesbian
married couple were to apply for membership?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seamountaininn
I would advise everyone to send the idiots who run this joint angry
and indignant emails pressuring them to relent on their anti-single
men policy.