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For years I have mentioned reaching for the like minded.. not the declared enemies.
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Peter Riden
2009-06-04 01:13:42 UTC
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The best comment I've seen in this group for a long while, separate to
my own of course, was this one earlier today: Nudists/Naturists need
to get over our differences as much as possible. There are big
powerful institutions out there looking to crush us in any number of
ways. We need all the support and diversity we can manage to put in
our big tent, and when we can't fit someone in our tent, we need to
support them having their own tent, and hope they support us in ours.
This has been said by myself numerous times in different words but I
believe I live up to it and have been vehemently attacked for doing
such and included in the few attackers is the very one who posted that
comment.
If you say 1 thing and do the exact opposite mostly when it comes to
repeating my words in a certain way, yet attacking me for standing up
for what I believe in... it's not much going to get results from those
who still suck up to the most narrow-minded elements of society. So,
Stuffy repeating my words yet going the opposite way doesn't get much
credibility, here.
But because I've been telling my few enemies to take a look at whom
they try to suck up to gain acceptance and stop attacking the more
liberally minded ones who at no time would attack any alternative
lifestyle including Nude in a social context or their own lifestyles..
yet the few enemies are the ones who ask the ultra uptight narrow
minded ones to check us out as us being the perverts, the bad ones,
the dangerous ones.
I'm not talking about diverging ideas or opinions.
Look, Cheri that got a bit of your exasperation directed her way has
definitely more mild views of Nude Recreation than you and I, Tony,
but I never saw her attacking either you, or myself, the way I see The
Little Tribe members doing against some of us.
When I read the likes of Bill Pennington and daring talking about
disrespected posters and to no surprise "Anna" zooming on you, Tony,
as being the #1 or "He should be considered as nudism's Osama bin
Laden. He should be considered nudism's ENEMY NUMBER ONE " it brings
back the fact that their kind is more in direct line with the
conservatism and fanatism exhibited by O. B. L. and followers.
Wake up to yourselves you idiots that continue to, and constantly in
some cases, attack any nudist venue that may not be your ideal.
After a while it comes across as either a vendetta or jealousy or a
combination of both!
That is exactly what takes place but give credit to Cheri.. she didn't
go bizzerk the way ON~Anon and any and all few members of The Little
Tribe went rabid on my venture and myself.
But what you write sums up what really animates those who go in such a
frenzy for that long against an opponent they can't defeat.
Sure - If you have a bad experience somewhere personally then you have
every right to state that, but with facts!
Stupid innuendo, and irrelevant messages, damages the posters more
than the target, as is proved daily with "annas" posts.
Again... reminding the many that you have to read what each write and
take it from there rather than being carried by "innuendos".
Have never understood the concept of making comment about a product
you've never tried yourself.
Ask that to The Little Tribe. No one ever came at TGB yet they have
attacked for quite a while because they feel it represents something
other than what they truly are.
So if we represent inclusiveness and open-mindedness... then you know
what they are opposed to.
Not your cup of tea? Cool - then don't try that product! But don't
denigrate those who do - That's basic discrimination as I see it. If
it's legal, and you want it gone, then change the fucking law!
The attempted discrediting of Carolina Foothills in this thread is
another example of such bullshit, and those blindly following the
initial Cheri comment should be ashamed of themselves!- Hide quoted text -
John answered the following
Tony....your analysis reeks with bias....certainly a club owner would
naturally have this opinion....
I'm sure John that you agree with Tony on this analysis when it comes
to a club/resort owner who has been under attacks by some who have no
ideas of what the place or the owners are all about. They obviously
attack more for what the destination, such as TGB or Tony's do
represent when it comes to live and let live.
On that, many like us agree that we are a threat to their compliance
to a system that is bankrupt in more than one way..;-)
but its like we might all like walmart
but we pay for our goods and have a right to complain if things are
not satisfactory....same as a place of recreation....if things do not
suit our expectations we have a right to complain as Anna does... but
as i have told her ...the complaining tends to increase the amount of
perverts and lessen the amount of conservative clientele.....
Remember, John, that Tony, you and I, along with our many supporters,
are seen as perverts by the few uptight ones who really start to shake
in their boots when it comes to standing up to their fallacies.
may be
this is the way society works....if hanky panky is rampant then expose
the facts and let the clientele decide for themselves...but humans are
like cattle get one to go the direction you want them to go and the
rest will follow...to be fair to the club ...Cheri should ....tell all
the facts rather than expect all to follow.....but she understands the
cattle rule i suppose.....regards...jz
You know what I like about Cheri through all this. Zooming on the
Foothills club might have been a fast reflex that she quickly tried to
calm down, the exact opposite of our few rabid enemies who, on the
contrary, have used very low tactics and not much class the way Cheri
answered to those coming at her.
Again... she also exemplifies the inclusiveness I have long talked
about.
Cheri has different ideas and much sober than some of us are when it
comes to Alternative Lifestyles, yet.. she has not gone out of her way
to try keeping attacking any resort.
That's a way in the right direction.
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http://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRiden
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Zee
2009-06-04 02:25:46 UTC
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Post by Peter Riden
The best comment I've seen in this group for a long while, separate to
my own of course, was this one earlier today: Nudists/Naturists need
to get over our differences as much as possible. There are big
powerful institutions out there looking to crush us in any number of
ways. We need all the support and diversity we can manage to put in
our big tent, and when we can't fit someone in our tent, we need to
support them having their own tent, and hope they support us in ours.
This has been said by myself numerous times in different words but I
believe I live up to it and have been vehemently attacked for doing
such and included in the few attackers is the very one who posted that
comment.
If you say 1 thing and do the exact opposite mostly when it comes to
repeating my words in a certain way, yet attacking me for standing up
for what I believe in... it's not much going to get results from those
who still suck up to the most narrow-minded elements of society. So,
Stuffy repeating my words yet going the opposite way doesn't get much
credibility, here.
But because I've been telling my few enemies to take a look at whom
they try to suck up to gain acceptance and stop attacking the more
liberally minded ones who at no time would attack any alternative
lifestyle including Nude in a social context or their own lifestyles..
yet the few enemies are the ones who ask the ultra uptight narrow
minded ones to check us out as us being the perverts, the bad ones,
the dangerous ones.
I'm not talking about diverging ideas or opinions.
Look, Cheri that got a bit of your exasperation directed her way has
definitely more mild views of Nude Recreation than you and I, Tony,
but I never saw her attacking either you, or myself, the way I see The
Little Tribe members doing against some of us.
When I read the likes of Bill Pennington and daring talking about
disrespected posters and to no surprise "Anna" zooming on you, Tony,
as being the #1 or "He should be considered as nudism's Osama bin
Laden. He should be considered nudism's ENEMY NUMBER ONE " it brings
back the fact that their kind is more in direct line with the
conservatism and fanatism exhibited by O. B. L. and followers.
Wake up to yourselves you idiots that continue to, and constantly in
some cases, attack any nudist venue that may not be your ideal.
After a while it comes across as either a vendetta or jealousy or a
combination of both!
That is exactly what takes place but give credit to Cheri.. she didn't
go bizzerk the way ON~Anon and any and all few members of The Little
Tribe went rabid on my venture and myself.
But what you write sums up what really animates those who go in such a
frenzy for that long against an opponent they can't defeat.
Sure - If you have a bad experience somewhere personally then you have
every right to state that, but with facts!
Stupid innuendo, and irrelevant messages, damages the posters more
than the target, as is proved daily with "annas" posts.
Again... reminding the many that you have to read what each write and
take it from there rather than being carried by "innuendos".
Have never understood the concept of making comment about a product
you've never tried yourself.
Ask that to The Little Tribe. No one ever came at TGB yet they have
attacked for quite a while because they feel it represents something
other than what they truly are.
So if we represent inclusiveness and open-mindedness... then you know
what they are opposed to.
Not your cup of tea? Cool - then don't try that product! But don't
denigrate those who do - That's basic discrimination as I see it. If
it's legal, and you want it gone, then change the fucking law!
The attempted discrediting of Carolina Foothills in this thread is
another example of such bullshit, and those blindly following the
initial Cheri comment should be ashamed of themselves!- Hide quoted text -
John answered the following
Tony....your analysis reeks with bias....certainly a club owner would
naturally have this opinion....
I'm sure John that you agree with Tony on this analysis when it comes
to a club/resort owner who has been under attacks by some who have no
ideas of what the place or the owners are all about. They obviously
attack more for what the destination, such as TGB or Tony's do
represent when it comes to live and let live.
On that, many like us agree that we are a threat to their compliance
to a system that is bankrupt in more than one way..;-)
but its like we might all like walmart
but we pay for our goods and have a right to complain if things are
not satisfactory....same as a place of recreation....if things do not
suit our expectations we have a right to complain as Anna does... but
as i have told her ...the complaining tends to increase the amount of
perverts and lessen the amount of conservative clientele.....
Remember, John, that Tony, you and I, along with our many supporters,
are seen as perverts by the few uptight ones who really start to shake
in their boots when it comes to standing up to their fallacies.
may be
this is the way society works....if hanky panky is rampant then expose
the facts and let the clientele decide for themselves...but humans are
like cattle get one to go the direction you want them to go and the
rest will follow...to be fair to the club ...Cheri should ....tell all
the facts rather than expect all to follow.....but she understands the
cattle rule i suppose.....regards...jz
You know what I like about Cheri through all this. Zooming on the
Foothills club might have been a fast reflex that she quickly tried to
calm down, the exact opposite of our few rabid enemies who, on the
contrary, have used very low tactics and not much class the way Cheri
answered to those coming at her.
Again... she also exemplifies the inclusiveness I have long talked
about.
Cheri has different ideas and much sober than some of us are when it
comes to Alternative Lifestyles, yet.. she has not gone out of her way
to try keeping attacking any resort.
That's a way in the right direction.http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterridenhttp://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRidenhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512421792&ref=profile
In Friendship & Universality
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Peter.... i am partial to the owners as when dealing with folks that
are trying to add a little to their lives with social nudity and sex
combined it is quite a fence walk ....Cheri is a owner also and it
seems in rec nude that the tribal members are either nude beachers who
have little experience with the club scene and its operation....i have
not learned much new opinions while at rec nude as over the years you
will meet all these different folks but in the clubs not much time is
spent arguing or making enemies rather having fun and making it ok for
another visit.....but i do think that the club scene is headed your
and Tonys way and this is painful....i am sure....for the tribal
members as that is the way it goes.....the next five years will indeed
determine where social nakedness will find itself as the times they
are a changing......regards....john
Peter Riden
2009-06-04 02:53:32 UTC
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Post by Zee
Post by Peter Riden
The best comment I've seen in this group for a long while, separate to
my own of course, was this one earlier today: Nudists/Naturists need
to get over our differences as much as possible. There are big
powerful institutions out there looking to crush us in any number of
ways. We need all the support and diversity we can manage to put in
our big tent, and when we can't fit someone in our tent, we need to
support them having their own tent, and hope they support us in ours.
This has been said by myself numerous times in different words but I
believe I live up to it and have been vehemently attacked for doing
such and included in the few attackers is the very one who posted that
comment.
If you say 1 thing and do the exact opposite mostly when it comes to
repeating my words in a certain way, yet attacking me for standing up
for what I believe in... it's not much going to get results from those
who still suck up to the most narrow-minded elements of society. So,
Stuffy repeating my words yet going the opposite way doesn't get much
credibility, here.
But because I've been telling my few enemies to take a look at whom
they try to suck up to gain acceptance and stop attacking the more
liberally minded ones who at no time would attack any alternative
lifestyle including Nude in a social context or their own lifestyles..
yet the few enemies are the ones who ask the ultra uptight narrow
minded ones to check us out as us being the perverts, the bad ones,
the dangerous ones.
I'm not talking about diverging ideas or opinions.
Look, Cheri that got a bit of your exasperation directed her way has
definitely more mild views of Nude Recreation than you and I, Tony,
but I never saw her attacking either you, or myself, the way I see The
Little Tribe members doing against some of us.
When I read the likes of Bill Pennington and daring talking about
disrespected posters and to no surprise "Anna" zooming on you, Tony,
as being the #1 or "He should be considered as nudism's Osama bin
Laden. He should be considered nudism's ENEMY NUMBER ONE " it brings
back the fact that their kind is more in direct line with the
conservatism and fanatism exhibited by O. B. L. and followers.
Wake up to yourselves you idiots that continue to, and constantly in
some cases, attack any nudist venue that may not be your ideal.
After a while it comes across as either a vendetta or jealousy or a
combination of both!
That is exactly what takes place but give credit to Cheri.. she didn't
go bizzerk the way ON~Anon and any and all few members of The Little
Tribe went rabid on my venture and myself.
But what you write sums up what really animates those who go in such a
frenzy for that long against an opponent they can't defeat.
Sure - If you have a bad experience somewhere personally then you have
every right to state that, but with facts!
Stupid innuendo, and irrelevant messages, damages the posters more
than the target, as is proved daily with "annas" posts.
Again... reminding the many that you have to read what each write and
take it from there rather than being carried by "innuendos".
Have never understood the concept of making comment about a product
you've never tried yourself.
Ask that to The Little Tribe. No one ever came at TGB yet they have
attacked for quite a while because they feel it represents something
other than what they truly are.
So if we represent inclusiveness and open-mindedness... then you know
what they are opposed to.
Not your cup of tea? Cool - then don't try that product! But don't
denigrate those who do - That's basic discrimination as I see it. If
it's legal, and you want it gone, then change the fucking law!
The attempted discrediting of Carolina Foothills in this thread is
another example of such bullshit, and those blindly following the
initial Cheri comment should be ashamed of themselves!- Hide quoted text -
John answered the following
Tony....your analysis reeks with bias....certainly a club owner would
naturally have this opinion....
I'm sure John that you agree with Tony on this analysis when it comes
to a club/resort owner who has been under attacks by some who have no
ideas of what the place or the owners are all about. They obviously
attack more for what the destination, such as TGB or Tony's do
represent when it comes to live and let live.
On that, many like us agree that we are a threat to their compliance
to a system that is bankrupt in more than one way..;-)
but its like we might all like walmart
but we pay for our goods and have a right to complain if things are
not satisfactory....same as a place of recreation....if things do not
suit our expectations we have a right to complain as Anna does... but
as i have told her ...the complaining tends to increase the amount of
perverts and lessen the amount of conservative clientele.....
Remember, John, that Tony, you and I, along with our many supporters,
are seen as perverts by the few uptight ones who really start to shake
in their boots when it comes to standing up to their fallacies.
may be
this is the way society works....if hanky panky is rampant then expose
the facts and let the clientele decide for themselves...but humans are
like cattle get one to go the direction you want them to go and the
rest will follow...to be fair to the club ...Cheri should ....tell all
the facts rather than expect all to follow.....but she understands the
cattle rule i suppose.....regards...jz
You know what I like about Cheri through all this. Zooming on the
Foothills club might have been a fast reflex that she quickly tried to
calm down, the exact opposite of our few rabid enemies who, on the
contrary, have used very low tactics and not much class the way Cheri
answered to those coming at her.
Again... she also exemplifies the inclusiveness I have long talked
about.
Cheri has different ideas and much sober than some of us are when it
comes to Alternative Lifestyles, yet.. she has not gone out of her way
to try keeping attacking any resort.
That's a way in the right direction.http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterridenhttp://ca.youtube.com/user/Pe...
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-...
Peter.... i am partial to the owners as when dealing with folks that
are trying to add a little to their lives with social nudity and sex
combined it is quite a fence walk ....Cheri is a owner also and it
seems in rec nude that the tribal members are either nude beachers who
have little experience with the club scene and its operation....i have
not learned much new opinions while at rec nude as over the years you
will meet all these different folks but in the clubs not much time is
spent arguing or making enemies rather having fun and making it ok for
another visit.....but i do think that the club scene is headed your
and Tonys way and this is painful....i am sure....for the tribal
members as that is the way it goes.....the next five years will indeed
determine where social nakedness will find itself as the times they
are a changing......regards....john
Well received, John! As you clearly see that Tony, Kathy and other
owners unearthed by "Anna" are understanding the reality of Nude
Recreation the way I have presented it over 2 decades. To the
displeasure of the few, many more will appreciate that we do not lie
when it comes to adult nude socializing. Till your next beep, my
friend..;-)
Preparing for that Big Get~Together~Day at TGB this Saturday... so you
keep the light on, in here, John..;-)
at http://www.the-grand-barn.com/bra/together.html

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TheWhiteCockatoo
2009-06-04 10:00:55 UTC
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Hi Peter,
Lots to digest in your message... a lot of which I agree with and a
lot of which I don't.
But that's nothing new, and as always I respect your right to do
things your way as you do mine.
Not so comfy about being lumped together with jz though... Definitely
not my cup of tea.
Nor is anyone who spends so much time "doing everything they can for
nudism" but then denigrating a nudist place without apparent reason.
And funnily enough I do agree with sometimes enjoy some of the
messages posted by some who have attacked, and occasionally continue
to attack, me at times.
Personally I find it difficult to lump people into one particular
group, as more often than not those same people would have vastly
different views in another group.
I see this in rec.nude on a frequent basis.
We're all different, and my somewhat simplistic anti-
discriminationatory view of life allows my own life to flow nicely
with an open and honest attitude and approach in all aspects of it.
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Web : http://www.thewhitecockatoo.com
Email : ***@thewhitecockatoo.com
Ph. +61 7 40982222
Fax. +61 7 40982221
9 Alchera Drive,
Mossman, Qld 4873,
Australia
TheWhiteCockatoo
2009-06-04 10:04:57 UTC
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OK... Let's not be lazy and do it again with spell check! Sorry....

Hi Peter,
Lots to digest in your message... a lot of which I agree with and a
lot of which I don't.
But that's nothing new, and as always I respect your right to do
things your way as you do mine.
Not so comfy about being lumped together with jz though... Definitely
not my cup of tea.
Nor is anyone who spends so much time "doing everything they can for
nudism" but then denigrating a nudist place without apparent reason.
And funnily enough I do agree with sometimes enjoy some of the
messages posted by some who have attacked, and occasionally continue
to attack, me at times.
Personally I find it difficult to lump people into one particular
group, as more often than not those same people would have vastly
different views in another group.
I see this in rec.nude on a frequent basis.
We're all different, and my somewhat simplistic anti-discriminatory
view of life allows my own life to flow nicely with an open and honest
attitude and approach in all aspects of it.
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Web : http://www.thewhitecockatoo.com
Email : ***@thewhitecockatoo.com
Ph. +61 7 40982222
Fax. +61 7 40982221
9 Alchera Drive,
Mossman, Qld 4873,
Australia
Zee
2009-06-04 13:11:33 UTC
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Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
OK... Let's not be lazy and do it again with spell check! Sorry....
Hi Peter,
Lots to digest in your message... a lot of which I agree with and a
lot of which I don't.
But that's nothing new, and as always I respect your right to do
things your way as you do mine.
Not so comfy about being lumped together with jz though... Definitely
not my cup of tea.
Nor is anyone who spends so much time "doing everything they can for
nudism" but then denigrating a nudist place without apparent reason.
And funnily enough I do agree with sometimes enjoy some of the
messages posted by some who have attacked, and occasionally continue
to attack, me at times.
Personally I find it difficult to lump people into one particular
group, as more often than not those same people would have vastly
different views in another group.
I see this in rec.nude on a frequent basis.
We're all different, and my somewhat simplistic anti-discriminatory
view of life allows my own life to flow nicely with an open and honest
attitude and approach in all aspects of it.
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Web :http://www.thewhitecockatoo.com
Ph. +61 7 40982222
Fax. +61 7 40982221
9 Alchera Drive,
Mossman, Qld 4873,
Australia
you did good Tony....so you have a problem or concern about folks that
appear a certain way in rec nude and notice a difference with their
post in other ngs.....well welcome to rec nude where i and three
more.... must be the only ones on the planet that is the same
identical person whereever you find us....so to you that is
strange....and you know what it is strange to the rest of the world
because nudism is anti social behavior and a perversion of human
behavior and you also must know that i admit being a pervert ...along
with cyndiann and nikki craft....and i think these two ladies can also
be found the same in all their postings...so tell your kids you have
knowledge of three folks on planet earth including Sir Peter 'Riden
that are all the same whereever you see them or hear about
them.....yes we are unique but accept the flaky hypocritical character
of other anti social dysfunctional perverts...but i will let you in on
a secret....the non perverted clothes wearing folks love us for our
honesty....and it would help nudism if you guys would straighten up
your act...jz
Zee
2009-06-04 13:49:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zee
Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
OK... Let's not be lazy and do it again with spell check! Sorry....
Hi Peter,
Lots to digest in your message... a lot of which I agree with and a
lot of which I don't.
But that's nothing new, and as always I respect your right to do
things your way as you do mine.
Not so comfy about being lumped together with jz though... Definitely
not my cup of tea.
Nor is anyone who spends so much time "doing everything they can for
nudism" but then denigrating a nudist place without apparent reason.
And funnily enough I do agree with sometimes enjoy some of the
messages posted by some who have attacked, and occasionally continue
to attack, me at times.
Personally I find it difficult to lump people into one particular
group, as more often than not those same people would have vastly
different views in another group.
I see this in rec.nude on a frequent basis.
We're all different, and my somewhat simplistic anti-discriminatory
view of life allows my own life to flow nicely with an open and honest
attitude and approach in all aspects of it.
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Web :http://www.thewhitecockatoo.com
Ph. +61 7 40982222
Fax. +61 7 40982221
9 Alchera Drive,
Mossman, Qld 4873,
Australia
you did good Tony....so you have a problem or concern about folks that
appear a certain way in rec nude and notice a difference with their
post in other ngs.....well welcome to rec nude where i and three
more.... must be the only ones on the planet that is the same
identical person whereever you find us....so to you that is
strange....and you know what it is strange to the rest of the world
because nudism is anti social behavior and a perversion of human
behavior and you also must know that i admit being a pervert ...along
with cyndiann and nikki craft....and i think these two ladies can also
be found the same in all their postings...so tell your kids you have
knowledge of three folks on planet earth including Sir Peter 'Riden
that are all the same whereever you see them or hear about
them.....yes we are unique but accept the flaky hypocritical character
of other anti social dysfunctional perverts...but i will let you in on
a secret....the non perverted clothes wearing folks love us for our
honesty....and it would help nudism if you guys would straighten up
your act...jz- Hide quoted text -
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Peter....i once was a member of a back country nudist camp and there
was general store a couple of miles away and i would take a break and
go to the store on those long weekends as a break from the camp and to
meet the locals.....the old man that owned store said to me.....i know
the owner but i just never get any of you visitors around here.....and
i said no the average vistor has alienated themselves from the rest of
society and they sneak up here to act perverted.....and he said there
has been a couple that came in here including the owner and they
always put some kind of goofy story on me about how non sexual and
wholesome their behavior is but you come in here telling me you are a
pervert on your part time excursion.....and you interest me because
you are different.....then he told me....i am a pervert tooo....but i
do not go naked....i like to have my toes sucked and my wife says it
is nasty....but i wash my feet so clean they are cleaner than my
tongue i think....and i like to go down to that massage parlor south
of town and that lady that owns it really makes me happy.....i welcome
those nudist to come to the store and the two tables in the back is
nice sitting and eating one of our home made sandwiches with a big
orange....and i said that big orange is the reason i come here.....see
Peter the non nudist folks are honest when you get to know them...of
course most tribal nudist are militantly distanced from the clothed
world they never got to know the honesty of the textile folks and do
not realize how stupid and goofy the nudist really appear to the 99.9
percent of the worlds pop......regards and this is going to be a good
season for you i am sure....regards...john
Peter Riden
2009-06-04 13:31:22 UTC
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Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
OK... Let's not be lazy and do it again with spell check! Sorry....
Hi Peter,
Lots to digest in your message... a lot of which I agree with and a
lot of which I don't.
But that's nothing new, and as always I respect your right to do
things your way as you do mine.
Not so comfy about being lumped together with jz though... Definitely
not my cup of tea.
Nor is anyone who spends so much time "doing everything they can for
nudism" but then denigrating a nudist place without apparent reason.
And funnily enough I do agree with sometimes enjoy some of the
messages posted by some who have attacked, and occasionally continue
to attack, me at times.
Personally I find it difficult to lump people into one particular
group, as more often than not those same people would have vastly
different views in another group.
I see this in rec.nude on a frequent basis.
We're all different, and my somewhat simplistic anti-discriminatory
view of life allows my own life to flow nicely with an open and honest
attitude and approach in all aspects of it.
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Web :http://www.thewhitecockatoo.com
Ph. +61 7 40982222
Fax. +61 7 40982221
9 Alchera Drive,
Mossman, Qld 4873,
Australia
Nice to hear from you, again, my friend Tony.
I'm quite inclusive, Tony, and certainly able to hear different and
sometimes nearly opposing views as in Cheri, John (for the purpose him
and I know about) and many others who are coming forth with diverging
personal convictions but, all in all, none of them personally
attacking me.
In the case of those personally attacking me, I have no problem/
difficulty lumping those attacking me in one specific group, Tony.
Think of "Anna" in a 10 fold and ask yourself if it would be hard to
keep focused on who the enemies are and thus lumping them or guarding
against them vigilantly.
Once you know there is no way those would sympathize with me/you nor
ever support or at least respect what you/I stand for... it becomes
important to stand up as you/I did under attack and show the readers
at large that you are also there to stand up to your friends when
under attack. That's my character.
And sometimes some of my friends have differing point of views between
themselves and I still stand up for them to clarify some situations in
their regards. That's who I am.
And I have plenty of friends because of the way I am... and few
enemies that I still can do without.
Now back to preparing for my nice upcoming weekend with our Big
Get~Together~Day.
at http://www.the-grand-barn.com/bra/together.html

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TheWhiteCockatoo
2009-06-05 08:33:54 UTC
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Post by Peter Riden
Once you know there is no way those would sympathize with me/you nor
ever support or at least respect what you/I stand for... it becomes
important to  stand up as you/I did under attack and show the readers
at large that you are also there to stand up to your friends when
under attack. That's my character.
And sometimes some of my friends have differing point of views between
themselves and I still stand up for them to clarify some situations in
their regards. That's who I am.
We are definitely agreed on those aspects, without doubt Peter, and
active in doing so when able and appropriate.

Regards

Tony Fox

@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Web : http://www.thewhitecockatoo.com
Email : ***@thewhitecockatoo.com
Ph. +61 7 40982222
Fax. +61 7 40982221
9 Alchera Drive,
Mossman, Qld 4873,
Australia
Dario Western
2009-06-06 23:30:10 UTC
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Hi,

<snipped for brevity>
Post by Peter Riden
Look, Cheri that got a bit of your exasperation directed her way has
definitely more mild views of Nude Recreation than you and I, Tony,
but I never saw her attacking either you, or myself, the way I see The
Little Tribe members doing against some of us.
When I read the likes of Bill Pennington and daring talking about
disrespected posters and to no surprise "Anna" zooming on you, Tony,
as being the #1 or "He should be considered as nudism's Osama bin
Laden. He should be considered nudism's ENEMY NUMBER ONE " it brings
back the fact that their kind is more in direct line with the
conservatism and fanatism exhibited by O. B. L. and followers.
Wake up to yourselves you idiots that continue to, and constantly in
some cases, attack any nudist venue that may not be your ideal.
After a while it comes across as either a vendetta or jealousy or a
combination of both!
That is exactly what takes place but give credit to Cheri.. she didn't
go bizzerk the way ON~Anon and any and all few members of The Little
Tribe went rabid on my venture and myself.
But what you write sums up what really animates those who go in such a
frenzy for that long against an opponent they can't defeat.
I don't think that Tony would be familiar with ON~Anon or Cheef Dan Roth,
Peter.

However we have a term for what TLTers have done to you in Australia. It's
known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome, and sounds like a modern day version of
communism. When somebody becomes a public figure for the years of effort
they have put into making their dreams and muses work, there are a number of
disgruntled people who want to cut them down to size. You and Tony are two
of the "Tall Poppies" of nude recreation out there, and it's a shame that
there are people who are knocking your venue without even bothering to visit
it. Where is the logic in that? It's like somebody condemning a book,
movie or a record they have not even checked out and rather go by second
hand opinion and hearsay.

I haven't given myself much time to check the NGs out of late because I have
been dedicating more time to my study and music. Every so often I've just
popped my head in to see if there was anything worth checking out in
rec.nude aside from the usual rants and AN~Anon's one posts about every nude
story he/she/it can get it's paws on.

Take it easy, and hope you enjoy your famous Canadian summer at TGB! :-)


Sincerely,

Dario Western
Dan Abel
2009-06-24 16:46:22 UTC
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Post by Dario Western
Hi,
<snipped for brevity>
Post by Peter Riden
go bizzerk the way ON~Anon and any and all few members of The Little
Tribe went rabid on my venture and myself.
But what you write sums up what really animates those who go in such a
frenzy for that long against an opponent they can't defeat.
I don't think that Tony would be familiar with ON~Anon or Cheef Dan Roth,
Peter.
I don't know why not. Both have been posting recently. According to
Google, the anonymous poster had several posts in 1999. Cheef had a
handful of posts as recently as 2005, although he hadn't been very
active for years before that.
Post by Dario Western
However we have a term for what TLTers have done to you in Australia. It's
known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome, and sounds like a modern day version of
communism. When somebody becomes a public figure for the years of effort
they have put into making their dreams and muses work, there are a number of
disgruntled people who want to cut them down to size. You and Tony are two
of the "Tall Poppies" of nude recreation out there, and it's a shame that
there are people who are knocking your venue without even bothering to visit
it. Where is the logic in that? It's like somebody condemning a book,
movie or a record they have not even checked out and rather go by second
hand opinion and hearsay.
Actually, most people check a review before buying a book or going to a
movie. Peter has a web site, and I'm sure some people check it before
visiting. In addition, there are Peter's own words on this newsgroup,
which give people an idea of what the place is about. One doesn't need
to visit a resort to find out what the philosophy of the founder is.
Post by Dario Western
I haven't given myself much time to check the NGs out of late because I have
been dedicating more time to my study and music. Every so often I've just
popped my head in to see if there was anything worth checking out in
rec.nude aside from the usual rants and AN~Anon's one posts about every nude
story he/she/it can get it's paws on.
What name does AN~Anon use on this group? I haven't seen a name similar
to that in a decade.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
***@sonic.net
Peter Riden
2009-06-30 01:10:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan Abel
Dario Western Posted
Take it easy, and hope you enjoy your famous Canadian summer at TGB! :-)
Sincerely,
Dario Western
Another busy year, Dario, and very much enjoyable.. thus little time
to really come and chat in the newsgroups.
As John rightly observed: "regards and this is going to be a good
season for you i am sure....regards...john "
But one needs to make sure our promoters are not putting words I don't
use in presenting THE GRAND BARN.
Post by Dan Abel
Actually, most people check a review before buying a book or going to a
movie.  Peter has a web site, and I'm sure some people check it before
visiting.  In addition, there are Peter's own words on this newsgroup,
which give people an idea of what the place is about.  One doesn't need
to visit a resort to find out what the philosophy of the founder is.
It is because our website is very well propagated and the words are
very clear as to what is being offered at THE GRAND BARN that we get
classy, friendly, and maturely well behaved adults coming our way and
making the most of what our 250 acres can be used for.
Plenty of interesting vistas and lots of great landscapes with
diversified amount of colorful floral arrangements.
Now some read accurately what I do present at TGB and others, like our
next poster, see words I don't use or people I don't cater to when
presenting THE GRAND BARN.
That's only the case if the founder is open and honest about what his
philosophy, to use your term,  is.
And to that extent I commend Peter.  He runs as scummy place and he
makes no bones (no pun intended) about it.
People know going in what to expect and he doesn't allow children.
And, while I guess this wasn't the case previously, he is clear that
he isn't connected to nudism (but then why does he still post here).
Why would I be any less connected to nudism than scums as alleged in
your own version of THE GRAND BARN??!!??
His place isn't a nudist place and he doesn't claim that it is.
Nor do I claim it's a scummy place yet one word fits you well and the
other not.. why would that be???
So, yeah, Peter needs to be commended.  No one going to his place
should be shocked at what they see there. Well I guess they can still
be shocked because imagining something and then actually seeing it are
two different things, but they have been warned I mean.
But you go to like the Carolina Foothills website and and they
advertise themselves as a nudist venue. A family nudist place.
But as Cheri found out that isn't what Carolina Foothills is. Or at
the very least that isn't what it has become.
I believe my good friend Tony (Cox) explained us how Cheri found out
although I would have preferred getting it from Cheri herself.
If Carolina Foothills is becoming in the likes of TGB... then one more
to add to our network of recommended destinations but no words from
Carolina Foothills, yet.
I support Peter in having his scummy place. No I wouldn't be caught
dead at his scummy place but I want scummy places to exist for scummy
people to go to instead of nudist venues.
You support my friendly, homey non-hypocritical place and not to be
confused with scummy.. that's good... but do not also confuse with
other venues that may cater to the term you use. I cater to the best,
nothing less.. and believe me, I get the best and the rest might go at
some of those places you might have higher regard for.
But when a nudist venue becomes a scummy place, first it harms
people's perception of nudism, and second if kids are allowed there
well of course there is a problem.
If the way you describe TGB is what it should be then by your own
admission 99.9% of so-called nudist venues have become "scummy
places". But people know better. "Scummy" is in the minds of the few
scums who have no life of their own and try disrupt the happy lives of
others. Then those scummy characters, as few as they are, see scum
through their own eyes and project it on all those people and venues
that are doing well and do cater to responsible and well balanced
individuals. That's the crowd I cater to at THE GRAND BARN and I'm
very honored by such. Moreso.. you have to be careful to describe TGB
the appropriate way as My children are all grown up and can see the
few scums trying to attack their dad and they are not taking it
lightly. I become more the supervisor and they are rapidly taking
charge so when you say "scummy" you direct it at them. Think hard
about this.
And it seems like most clubs, at least those who have been around any
length of time has gone through a scummy phase. The  question is how
many are currently in that stage. In Washington State I guess LARC
is.   We know Carolina Foothills is.   I trust Richard when he says
that he ensures that his club remains clean but then again he admits
he was around there when his own club was going through its scummy
phase so as much as I respect Richard can I really trust his word? I
am not saying he is lying. I believe he believes what he says about
his club.  But if he was somehow oblivious to what was going on last
time around perhaps he is  oblivious now. I just don't know.
Learning might feel scummy for some. So in their learning phases they
adapt and adjust to the reality that is current in our big world and
make the proper adjustments... something that was done right at the
beginning with coming foorth with THE GRAND BARN.
http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterriden
http://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRiden
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512421792&ref=profile
http://twitter.com/PeterRiden
In Friendship & Universality
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http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn
Zee
2009-06-30 02:55:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Riden
Post by Dan Abel
Dario Western Posted
Take it easy, and hope you enjoy your famous Canadian summer at TGB! :-)
Sincerely,
Dario Western
Another busy year, Dario, and very much enjoyable.. thus little time
to really come and chat in the newsgroups.
As John rightly observed: "regards and this is going to be a good
season for you i am sure....regards...john "
But one needs to make sure our promoters are not putting words I don't
use in presenting THE GRAND BARN.
Post by Dan Abel
Actually, most people check a review before buying a book or going to a
movie.  Peter has a web site, and I'm sure some people check it before
visiting.  In addition, there are Peter's own words on this newsgroup,
which give people an idea of what the place is about.  One doesn't need
to visit a resort to find out what the philosophy of the founder is.
It is because our website is very well propagated and the words are
very clear as to what is being offered at THE GRAND BARN  that we get
classy, friendly, and maturely well behaved adults coming our way and
making the most of what our 250 acres can be used for.
Plenty of interesting vistas and lots of great landscapes with
diversified amount of colorful floral arrangements.
Now some read accurately what I do present at TGB and others, like our
next poster, see words I don't use or people I don't cater to when
presenting THE GRAND BARN.
That's only the case if the founder is open and honest about what his
philosophy, to use your term,  is.
And to that extent I commend Peter.  He runs as scummy place and he
makes no bones (no pun intended) about it.
People know going in what to expect and he doesn't allow children.
And, while I guess this wasn't the case previously, he is clear that
he isn't connected to nudism (but then why does he still post here).
Why would I be any less connected to nudism than scums as alleged in
your own version of THE GRAND BARN??!!??
His place isn't a nudist place and he doesn't claim that it is.
Nor do I claim it's a scummy place yet one word fits you well and the
other not.. why would that be???
So, yeah, Peter needs to be commended.  No one going to his place
should be shocked at what they see there. Well I guess they can still
be shocked because imagining something and then actually seeing it are
two different things, but they have been warned I mean.
But you go to like the Carolina Foothills website and and they
advertise themselves as a nudist venue. A family nudist place.
But as Cheri found out that isn't what Carolina Foothills is. Or at
the very least that isn't what it has become.
I believe my good friend Tony (Cox) explained us how Cheri found out
although I would have preferred getting it from Cheri herself.
If Carolina Foothills is becoming in the likes of TGB... then one more
to add to our network of recommended destinations but no words from
Carolina Foothills, yet.
I support Peter in having his scummy place. No I wouldn't be caught
dead at his scummy place but I want scummy places to exist for scummy
people to go to instead of nudist venues.
You support my friendly, homey non-hypocritical place and not to be
confused with scummy.. that's good... but do not also confuse with
other venues that may cater to the term you use. I cater to the best,
nothing less.. and believe me, I get the best and the rest might go at
some of those places you might have higher regard for.
But when a nudist venue becomes a scummy place, first it harms
people's perception of nudism, and second if kids are allowed there
well of course there is a problem.
If the way you describe TGB is what it should be then by your own
admission 99.9% of so-called nudist venues have become "scummy
places". But people know better. "Scummy" is in the minds of the few
scums who have no life of their own and try disrupt the happy lives of
others. Then those scummy characters, as few as they are, see scum
through their own eyes and project it on all those people and venues
that are doing well and do cater to responsible and well balanced
individuals. That's the crowd I cater to at THE GRAND BARN and I'm
very honored by such. Moreso.. you have to be careful to describe TGB
the appropriate way as My children are all grown up and can see the
few scums trying to attack their dad and they are not taking it
lightly. I become more the supervisor and they are rapidly taking
charge so when you say "scummy" you direct it at them. Think hard
about this.
And it seems like most clubs, at least those who have been around any
length of time has gone through a scummy phase. The  question is how
many are currently in that stage. In Washington State I guess LARC
is.   We know Carolina Foothills is.   I trust Richard when he says
that he ensures that his club remains clean but then again he admits
he was around there when his own club was going through its scummy
phase so as much as I respect Richard can I really trust his word? I
am not saying he is lying. I believe he believes what he says about
his club.  But if he was somehow oblivious to what was going on last
time around perhaps he is  oblivious now. I just don't know.
Learning might feel scummy for some. So in their learning phases they
adapt and adjust to the reality that is current in our big world and
make the proper adjustments... something that was done right at the
beginning with coming foorth with THE GRAND BARN.http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterridenhttp://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRidenhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512421792&ref=profilehttp://twitter.com/PeterRiden
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And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
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ahhh Peter.....the world has always been fast moving and seeking
progress to compete....sorta dog eat dog...and the most sure thing is
death taxes and progress as man cannot stop it....and the so called
industries that make things get caught up in wrong decisions and a
foreign producer see it very clear and corrects the problem usually at
a cheaper price....but none seem to call one another scummy but doing
what they have to do to stay in business...immoral or otherwise.....so
in the sin businesses the same thing happens and there is always the
high road folks that try....i say try to impress the non sinful folks
that do not participate in the game....they are becoming few as going
your way is the way of the future...and while everybody mostly is on
board ....there are the high road folks that in ten years will be gone
because there wont be any high road industry left and as a matter of
fact those high road industries related to nudity in the social sense
never existed the way they said it did...it was just an
illusion.....looks like your offspring is doing well and they have
your years of from the beginning as knowledge that you did not
have....regards.....jz
Peter Riden
2009-06-30 14:32:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zee
Post by Peter Riden
Post by Dan Abel
Dario Western Posted
Take it easy, and hope you enjoy your famous Canadian summer at TGB! :-)
Sincerely,
Dario Western
Another busy year, Dario, and very much enjoyable.. thus little time
to really come and chat in the newsgroups.
As John rightly observed: "regards and this is going to be a good
season for you i am sure....regards...john "
But one needs to make sure our promoters are not putting words I don't
use in presenting THE GRAND BARN.
Post by Dan Abel
Actually, most people check a review before buying a book or going to a
movie.  Peter has a web site, and I'm sure some people check it before
visiting.  In addition, there are Peter's own words on this newsgroup,
which give people an idea of what the place is about.  One doesn't need
to visit a resort to find out what the philosophy of the founder is.
It is because our website is very well propagated and the words are
very clear as to what is being offered at THE GRAND BARN  that we get
classy, friendly, and maturely well behaved adults coming our way and
making the most of what our 250 acres can be used for.
Plenty of interesting vistas and lots of great landscapes with
diversified amount of colorful floral arrangements.
Now some read accurately what I do present at TGB and others, like our
next poster, see words I don't use or people I don't cater to when
presenting THE GRAND BARN.
That's only the case if the founder is open and honest about what his
philosophy, to use your term,  is.
And to that extent I commend Peter.  He runs as scummy place and he
makes no bones (no pun intended) about it.
People know going in what to expect and he doesn't allow children.
And, while I guess this wasn't the case previously, he is clear that
he isn't connected to nudism (but then why does he still post here).
Why would I be any less connected to nudism than scums as alleged in
your own version of THE GRAND BARN??!!??
His place isn't a nudist place and he doesn't claim that it is.
Nor do I claim it's a scummy place yet one word fits you well and the
other not.. why would that be???
So, yeah, Peter needs to be commended.  No one going to his place
should be shocked at what they see there. Well I guess they can still
be shocked because imagining something and then actually seeing it are
two different things, but they have been warned I mean.
But you go to like the Carolina Foothills website and and they
advertise themselves as a nudist venue. A family nudist place.
But as Cheri found out that isn't what Carolina Foothills is. Or at
the very least that isn't what it has become.
I believe my good friend Tony (Cox) explained us how Cheri found out
although I would have preferred getting it from Cheri herself.
If Carolina Foothills is becoming in the likes of TGB... then one more
to add to our network of recommended destinations but no words from
Carolina Foothills, yet.
I support Peter in having his scummy place. No I wouldn't be caught
dead at his scummy place but I want scummy places to exist for scummy
people to go to instead of nudist venues.
You support my friendly, homey non-hypocritical place and not to be
confused with scummy.. that's good... but do not also confuse with
other venues that may cater to the term you use. I cater to the best,
nothing less.. and believe me, I get the best and the rest might go at
some of those places you might have higher regard for.
But when a nudist venue becomes a scummy place, first it harms
people's perception of nudism, and second if kids are allowed there
well of course there is a problem.
If the way you describe TGB is what it should be then by your own
admission 99.9% of so-called nudist venues have become "scummy
places". But people know better. "Scummy" is in the minds of the few
scums who have no life of their own and try disrupt the happy lives of
others. Then those scummy characters, as few as they are, see scum
through their own eyes and project it on all those people and venues
that are doing well and do cater to responsible and well balanced
individuals. That's the crowd I cater to at THE GRAND BARN and I'm
very honored by such. Moreso.. you have to be careful to describe TGB
the appropriate way as My children are all grown up and can see the
few scums trying to attack their dad and they are not taking it
lightly. I become more the supervisor and they are rapidly taking
charge so when you say "scummy" you direct it at them. Think hard
about this.
And it seems like most clubs, at least those who have been around any
length of time has gone through a scummy phase. The  question is how
many are currently in that stage. In Washington State I guess LARC
is.   We know Carolina Foothills is.   I trust Richard when he says
that he ensures that his club remains clean but then again he admits
he was around there when his own club was going through its scummy
phase so as much as I respect Richard can I really trust his word? I
am not saying he is lying. I believe he believes what he says about
his club.  But if he was somehow oblivious to what was going on last
time around perhaps he is  oblivious now. I just don't know.
Learning might feel scummy for some. So in their learning phases they
adapt and adjust to the reality that is current in our big world and
make the proper adjustments... something that was done right at the
beginning with coming foorth with THE GRAND BARN.http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterridenhttp://ca.youtube.com/user/Pe...
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
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ahhh Peter.....the world has always been fast moving and seeking
progress to compete....sorta dog eat dog...and the most sure thing is
death taxes and progress as man cannot stop it....and the so called
industries that make things get caught up in wrong decisions and a
foreign producer see it very clear and corrects the problem usually at
a cheaper price....but none seem to call one another scummy but doing
what they have to do to stay in business...immoral or otherwise.....so
in the sin businesses the same thing happens and there is always the
high road folks that try....i say try to impress the non sinful folks
that do not participate in the game....they are becoming few as going
your way is the way of the future...and while everybody mostly is on
board ....there are the high road folks that in ten years will be gone
because there wont be any high road industry left and as a matter of
fact those high road industries related to nudity in the social sense
never existed the way they said it did...it was just an
illusion.....looks like your offspring is doing well and they have
your years of from the beginning as knowledge that you did not
have....regards.....jz
Well observed, my friend John.
Indeed, on my side, it's the way of the future as brief that future
might happen to be for the whole world..;-(
One important point you bring forth is the "immoral or otherwise". You
and I enjoy the ladies to great extent, John, and what we do to get
them on our side might be perceived as immoral for the easily offended
and otherwise by those who know better..;-)
But we don't call each other scummy because we know better and many
out there know better... so we cater to the best and leave the rest.
And the illusion of the few is going to have to shift for their own
survival as they should never try to fool the general public by false
pretenses but tell it the way it is.
You have long understood this from me, John, and I gladly welcome
those I know who have that same non-disguised, straightforward
approach.
And my offspring, as you rightly observed, have learned a lot and can
stand their grounds nearly as boldly as I do and they are and will
keep doing well, John.
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Anna
2009-06-30 16:04:59 UTC
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Post by Peter Riden
Post by Dan Abel
Dario Western Posted
Take it easy, and hope you enjoy your famous Canadian summer at TGB! :-)
Sincerely,
Dario Western
Another busy year, Dario, and very much enjoyable.. thus little time
to really come and chat in the newsgroups.
As John rightly observed: "regards and this is going to be a good
season for you i am sure....regards...john "
But one needs to make sure our promoters are not putting words I don't
use in presenting THE GRAND BARN.
Post by Dan Abel
Actually, most people check a review before buying a book or going to a
movie.  Peter has a web site, and I'm sure some people check it before
visiting.  In addition, there are Peter's own words on this newsgroup,
which give people an idea of what the place is about.  One doesn't need
to visit a resort to find out what the philosophy of the founder is.
It is because our website is very well propagated and the words are
very clear as to what is being offered at THE GRAND BARN  that we get
classy, friendly, and maturely well behaved adults coming our way and
making the most of what our 250 acres can be used for.
Plenty of interesting vistas and lots of great landscapes with
diversified amount of colorful floral arrangements.
Now some read accurately what I do present at TGB and others, like our
next poster, see words I don't use or people I don't cater to when
presenting THE GRAND BARN.
That's only the case if the founder is open and honest about what his
philosophy, to use your term,  is.
And to that extent I commend Peter.  He runs as scummy place and he
makes no bones (no pun intended) about it.
People know going in what to expect and he doesn't allow children.
And, while I guess this wasn't the case previously, he is clear that
he isn't connected to nudism (but then why does he still post here).
Why would I be any less connected to nudism than scums as alleged in
your own version of THE GRAND BARN??!!??
His place isn't a nudist place and he doesn't claim that it is.
Nor do I claim it's a scummy place yet one word fits you well and the
other not.. why would that be???
So, yeah, Peter needs to be commended.  No one going to his place
should be shocked at what they see there. Well I guess they can still
be shocked because imagining something and then actually seeing it are
two different things, but they have been warned I mean.
But you go to like the Carolina Foothills website and and they
advertise themselves as a nudist venue. A family nudist place.
But as Cheri found out that isn't what Carolina Foothills is. Or at
the very least that isn't what it has become.
I believe my good friend Tony (Cox) explained us how Cheri found out
although I would have preferred getting it from Cheri herself.
If Carolina Foothills is becoming in the likes of TGB... then one more
to add to our network of recommended destinations but no words from
Carolina Foothills, yet.
I support Peter in having his scummy place. No I wouldn't be caught
dead at his scummy place but I want scummy places to exist for scummy
people to go to instead of nudist venues.
You support my friendly, homey non-hypocritical place and not to be
confused with scummy.. that's good... but do not also confuse with
other venues that may cater to the term you use. I cater to the best,
nothing less.. and believe me, I get the best and the rest might go at
some of those places you might have higher regard for.
But when a nudist venue becomes a scummy place, first it harms
people's perception of nudism, and second if kids are allowed there
well of course there is a problem.
If the way you describe TGB is what it should be then by your own
admission 99.9% of so-called nudist venues have become "scummy
places". But people know better. "Scummy" is in the minds of the few
scums who have no life of their own and try disrupt the happy lives of
others. Then those scummy characters, as few as they are, see scum
through their own eyes and project it on all those people and venues
that are doing well and do cater to responsible and well balanced
individuals. That's the crowd I cater to at THE GRAND BARN and I'm
very honored by such. Moreso.. you have to be careful to describe TGB
the appropriate way as My children are all grown up and can see the
few scums trying to attack their dad and they are not taking it
lightly. I become more the supervisor and they are rapidly taking
charge so when you say "scummy" you direct it at them. Think hard
about this.
As long as your aren't fucking your grandchildren or having sex with
your children and/or their spouses in front of your grandchildren then
if you want to be scummy go ahead and be scummy.
Zee
2009-06-30 19:22:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anna
Post by Peter Riden
Post by Dan Abel
Dario Western Posted
Take it easy, and hope you enjoy your famous Canadian summer at TGB! :-)
Sincerely,
Dario Western
Another busy year, Dario, and very much enjoyable.. thus little time
to really come and chat in the newsgroups.
As John rightly observed: "regards and this is going to be a good
season for you i am sure....regards...john "
But one needs to make sure our promoters are not putting words I don't
use in presenting THE GRAND BARN.
Post by Dan Abel
Actually, most people check a review before buying a book or going to a
movie.  Peter has a web site, and I'm sure some people check it before
visiting.  In addition, there are Peter's own words on this newsgroup,
which give people an idea of what the place is about.  One doesn't need
to visit a resort to find out what the philosophy of the founder is.
It is because our website is very well propagated and the words are
very clear as to what is being offered at THE GRAND BARN  that we get
classy, friendly, and maturely well behaved adults coming our way and
making the most of what our 250 acres can be used for.
Plenty of interesting vistas and lots of great landscapes with
diversified amount of colorful floral arrangements.
Now some read accurately what I do present at TGB and others, like our
next poster, see words I don't use or people I don't cater to when
presenting THE GRAND BARN.
That's only the case if the founder is open and honest about what his
philosophy, to use your term,  is.
And to that extent I commend Peter.  He runs as scummy place and he
makes no bones (no pun intended) about it.
People know going in what to expect and he doesn't allow children.
And, while I guess this wasn't the case previously, he is clear that
he isn't connected to nudism (but then why does he still post here).
Why would I be any less connected to nudism than scums as alleged in
your own version of THE GRAND BARN??!!??
His place isn't a nudist place and he doesn't claim that it is.
Nor do I claim it's a scummy place yet one word fits you well and the
other not.. why would that be???
So, yeah, Peter needs to be commended.  No one going to his place
should be shocked at what they see there. Well I guess they can still
be shocked because imagining something and then actually seeing it are
two different things, but they have been warned I mean.
But you go to like the Carolina Foothills website and and they
advertise themselves as a nudist venue. A family nudist place.
But as Cheri found out that isn't what Carolina Foothills is. Or at
the very least that isn't what it has become.
I believe my good friend Tony (Cox) explained us how Cheri found out
although I would have preferred getting it from Cheri herself.
If Carolina Foothills is becoming in the likes of TGB... then one more
to add to our network of recommended destinations but no words from
Carolina Foothills, yet.
I support Peter in having his scummy place. No I wouldn't be caught
dead at his scummy place but I want scummy places to exist for scummy
people to go to instead of nudist venues.
You support my friendly, homey non-hypocritical place and not to be
confused with scummy.. that's good... but do not also confuse with
other venues that may cater to the term you use. I cater to the best,
nothing less.. and believe me, I get the best and the rest might go at
some of those places you might have higher regard for.
But when a nudist venue becomes a scummy place, first it harms
people's perception of nudism, and second if kids are allowed there
well of course there is a problem.
If the way you describe TGB is what it should be then by your own
admission 99.9% of so-called nudist venues have become "scummy
places". But people know better. "Scummy" is in the minds of the few
scums who have no life of their own and try disrupt the happy lives of
others. Then those scummy characters, as few as they are, see scum
through their own eyes and project it on all those people and venues
that are doing well and do cater to responsible and well balanced
individuals. That's the crowd I cater to at THE GRAND BARN and I'm
very honored by such. Moreso.. you have to be careful to describe TGB
the appropriate way as My children are all grown up and can see the
few scums trying to attack their dad and they are not taking it
lightly. I become more the supervisor and they are rapidly taking
charge so when you say "scummy" you direct it at them. Think hard
about this.
As long as your aren't fucking your grandchildren or having sex with
your children and/or their spouses in front of your grandchildren then
if you want to be scummy go ahead and be scummy.- Hide quoted text -
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Anna....are you saying that anyone operating a sexual for adults only
business is scummy ...if so do you extend scummy operations...to the
ones running such operation as being scummy....yet you say in another
sentence that you support such operations because it can acentuate the
non sexual and let folks have a choice......iows the business has be
sexual to be scummy.....how about the folks that beat up old folks in
nursing homes and steal their money....are they scummy....and then of
course we have the posters that want to know everything about Peter
and i but tell us nothing about themselves.....i have told about
places and people i have been to but no one else here ever reports
anything like that....so everyone has their personal
objections ...that is human....but do explain this scummy bit so we
can understand what you mean.....regards....jz

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